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Re:Intuit sabotages the Child Tax Credit by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @02:07PM (#27691688)
> should literally be nationalized

Political note: calls for nationalisation, in American politics, is a gift to the other side. It lets one paint the opposition as extremists without grounding in U.S. Constitutional law or the economic history of countries that regularly expropriate property.

I get the impulse. But literally any other phrasing—massive fines, criminal prosecution, open-licensing requirements, et cetera—is more productive for any aim other than blowing steam.

Re:Intuit sabotages the Child Tax Credit by maxmamis on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @02:47PM (#27692106)
> Political note: calls for nationalisation, in American politics, is a gift to the other side.

Perhaps you should rephrase this as "calls for nationalization run counter to my own free-market ideology" rather than a) assuming you know what everybody else thinks, and b) suggesting that conventional wisdom should dictate the bounds of acceptable discourse.

Not to mention, plenty of countries — the US included — have successfully nationalized companies and entire industries.

Re:Intuit sabotages the Child Tax Credit by GavinMcG on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @06:30PM (#27694236)
A practical understanding of the country's political messaging isn't the same thing as free-market ideology. I'm not especially free-market, but I recognize that poor messaging gets picked up by Fox News (for example) who beat their drum over and over and over again such that the underlying ideas have a huge uphill battle to fight.
Re:Intuit sabotages the Child Tax Credit by syshum on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @04:19PM (#27692997)
I can not think of a single company or industries the US has nationalized that I would consider a "success"
Re:Intuit sabotages the Child Tax Credit by refurb on Thursday July 01, 2021 @02:09AM (#27696709)
No, you’re entirely wrong. Any call to nationalize just firmly placed you in the most left of the left-wing side of the Democratic Party. The one with no power and the one moderate Democrats like to distance themselves from.
Re:Intuit sabotages the Child Tax Credit by Miraste on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @03:47PM (#27692713)
Unless you go back to FDR, the US has only "nationalized" (bailed out) companies when they were on the verge of collapse with catastrophic economic consequences, and because of 9/11. Nationalizing a functioning company, no matter how evil, would be unprecedented and immediately fail after being labeled communist. I'm not commenting on the merits of the idea here, only the political reality.
Re:Intuit sabotages the Child Tax Credit by tmp_anon_22 on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @05:23PM (#27693559)
> labeled communist

Its so crazy to me that some Americans label abstract ideas as evil. Communism == evil. Socialism == evil. Many welfare programs == evil. Immigrant labor == evil. High minimum wage == evil. Some languages, religions, cultures == evil. Stop subverting the English language because you're too lazy to check a thesaurus. None of those things are evil.

Re:Intuit sabotages the Child Tax Credit by tyre on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @03:53PM (#27692760)
The comment you are replying to is not assuming that they know how everyone else thinks, _nor_ are they saying what is "acceptable discourse".

They are, rather, making a statement about strategy and messaging in American politics; a point which has borne out in countless political contests over the past decade alone. There is a reason why Republicans try to say "socialis(t/ism)" as often as possible. It works.

One example off the top of my head is Florida during the most recent presidential election. The Republicans beat the drums of socialism broadly and especially targeted at Cuban-Americans who immediately think of Castro. Voters who might otherwise skew towards Biden went Trump.

Again, that's one example, but the point is about _messaging_ and how the electorate in America broadly (not 100%, everywhere, etc.) responds to "socialism". (Nationalization being, of course, clearly tied to socialism.)

Re:Intuit sabotages the Child Tax Credit by hannasanarion on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @03:16PM (#27692422)
Because as we all know, privatization never leads to perverse incentives and anti-competitive or anti-consumer behavior. Just look at the American telecom industry, which is famous for high satisfaction and low prices with no price fixing, tying, market segmentation, or any other cartel-like behavior to be seen.
Re:Intuit sabotages the Child Tax Credit by KorematsuFred on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @04:19PM (#27692995)
American telecom industry has done much better after US government ended government granted monopoly to bell labs. Plenty of literature on that topic actually. Same for aviation.

Whatever bad things you see with ATT and Comcast are actually a direct result of city granted monopolies which will likely be ended by Musk's Starlink sooner or later.

Re:Intuit sabotages the Child Tax Credit by hannasanarion on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @04:40PM (#27693190)
How have they done better? Prices have risen substantially as quality of service stagnates or deteriorates unless the companies are given grants and subsidies by governments to compel them to upgrade infrastructure at the taxpayer's expense. All the while they reap ever growing profits and lobby to get their employees onto regulatory boards to prevent any pro-consumer regulation.

"city-granted monopolies", are you kidding? The monopolies exist because of non-competition arrangements between companies. A city can't have anything but a monopoly when only one company willing to run cable because they've made everybody else agree to keep off their turf.

And starlink won't save anybody. For one thing, satellite internet already exists, you can buy it from providers like Viasat, DirecTV, and Hughesnet: it's expensive and the latency is outrageous because of the speed-of-light distance to satellites.

I get that you're just reciting the propaganda talking points that you've heard from news organizations and media properties (which are all now owned by telecom monopolies thanks to all the cash they have to spare from the extremely profitable telecom business, funny how that works), but a person can hope.

Re:Intuit sabotages the Child Tax Credit by ShroudedNight on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @06:14PM (#27694078)
> And starlink won't save anybody. For one thing, satellite internet already exists, you can buy it from providers like Viasat, DirecTV, and Hughesnet: it's expensive and the latency is outrageous because of the speed-of-light distance to satellites.

Starlink latency is materially improved from traditional satellite internet providers. 20ms vs 500ms. Conflating them borders on equivocation.

Re:Intuit sabotages the Child Tax Credit by minikites on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @03:39PM (#27692627)
>It lets one paint the opposition as extremists

This happens regardless of how extreme or radical the proposal is, so why start from a position of compromise? This is what happens when one party cries "wolf" for 40 years.

Re:Intuit sabotages the Child Tax Credit by bestcoder69 on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @03:06PM (#27692324)
Allowing “nationalization” to remain a dirty word (and not “privatization”) is a much bigger gift.

Why should it be off the table? Does the average person even give a shit about the public/private status of Intuit? I get conservatives will complain but they will (and do) literally call ANY improvement to the IRS Communism. Is the hope that if you play language games they’ll see the light?

Re:Intuit sabotages the Child Tax Credit by alkonaut on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @05:19PM (#27693522)
I guess it would be easier and better to just strangle them by simplifying the tax code, sending pre-filled returns to everyone and making a simple and accessible web app for people to file theit taxes with a few clicks.

Intuit aren't alone in this scheme. There must be people who think taxes should be complex and scary, so would be against making it easy and convenient. What I wonder though is: aren't there any such people in the rest of the developed world where filing taxes IS simple?

Re:Intuit sabotages the Child Tax Credit by CRConrad on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @07:19PM (#27694675)
> I guess it would be easier and better to just strangle them by simplifying the tax code, sending pre-filled returns to everyone and making a simple and accessible web app for people to file theit taxes with a few clicks.

Yes, that solution is obvious, and has been for quite a while. The problem is that Intuit et al, through their lobbying, are blocking it. So the problem that needs solving now is how to block that lobbying.

> There must be people who think taxes should be complex and scary, so would be against making it easy and convenient. What I wonder though is: aren't there any such people in the rest of the developed world where filing taxes IS simple?

Most countries' politics are a lot more sane than the USA's, so such people aren't able to exert quite the same perverse amount of power through "lobbying" -- i.e. bribery, thinly disguised as "campaign contributions" -- as in the USA. (Oh sure, most countries have at least some of that shit, in various forms. But few, on the whole, as bad as the USA.)

Re:Intuit sabotages the Child Tax Credit by maxwell on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @10:32PM (#27695748)
No, restructuring the tax code, send out millions of physical mailers, and building multi-million dollar web apps would not be easier than Uncle Sam acquiring the assets and running Intuit like the USPS, i.e. Congress only sets pricing.
Re:Intuit sabotages the Child Tax Credit by slumdev on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @03:41PM (#27692649)
> Political note: calls for nationalisation, in American politics, is a gift to the other side.

Populism changes the equation. Populism blurs the left/right split.

Populists of all political persuasions can get behind nationalizing Intuit.