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Re:Canada weather: Dozens dead as heatwave shatters records by Cthulhu_ on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @09:12AM (#27688052)
Or when it's over 52 degrees outside, when "wet bulb" temperature (= a thermometer in a wet cloth) goes over 35, which is what they've been having in Pakistan. At that temperature, the evaporative cooling effect of water (like sweat) is no longer enough to manage temperature, and even fully healthy and hydrated people can die from heat exposure.

I mean I watched people in Canada in the news this morning and thought, why are they still outside in the sun even?

Re:Canada weather: Dozens dead as heatwave shatters records by pdkl95 on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @09:32AM (#27688298)
> I mean I watched people in Canada in the news this morning and thought, why are they still outside in the sun even?

"Mad Dogs And Englishmen" by Noël Coward (1932)

  In tropical climes there are certain times of day
  When all the citizens retire
  To take their clothes off and perspire
  It's one of those rules the greatest fools obey
  Because the sun is far too sultry
  And one must avoid its ultry-violet ray

  The natives grieve when the white men leave their huts
  Because they're obviously, definitely nuts!

  Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPnJM3zWfUo

https://genius.com/Noel-coward-mad-dogs-and-englishmen-lyric...

Re:Canada weather: Dozens dead as heatwave shatters records by jamal-kumar on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @01:00PM (#27690837)
it's funny the note of colonialist superiority at the end of this poem when I live in the tropics and we regularly call burnt as fuck tourists 'cocido como un camaron' which means cooked like a shrimp. then they get to spend the next day moaning in bed while we take their hotel money and hit the beach with proper sun protection early in the morning when there's way fewer tourists getting skin cancer for no good reason other than operating at times they're used to. Haha!
Re:Canada weather: Dozens dead as heatwave shatters records by mrleinad on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @09:56AM (#27688566)
This gave me a chuckle
Re:Canada weather: Dozens dead as heatwave shatters records by klodolph on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @09:17AM (#27688116)
Just to elaborate on the "thermometer in a wet cloth" explanation...

If you have water at the wet bulb temperature exposed to ambient air, then evaporation and condensation are in equilibrium. Above the wet bulb temperature, there is more evaporation, transferring heat from the water to ambient air. Below it, there is more condensation, transferring heat from ambient air to the water.

Except at 100% humidity, this is higher than the dew point, which is the temperature where water spontaneously condenses out of the air.

Re:Canada weather: Dozens dead as heatwave shatters records by masklinn on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @09:35AM (#27688330)
> I mean I watched people in Canada in the news this morning and thought, why are they still outside in the sun even?

Dunno about being in the sun, but if you don’t have AC and the house is at ambient temp you might as well be outside (normally in the shade) as you’ll at least get some air.

Re:Canada weather: Dozens dead as heatwave shatters records by dragonwriter on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @10:34AM (#27689052)
> Dunno about being in the sun, but if you dom’t have AC and the house is at ambient temp

Depending on design, houses can be above ambient outdoor temperature without AC

Re:Canada weather: Dozens dead as heatwave shatters records by mfer on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @10:23AM (#27688911)
If you're outside you also need to content with the affects of the sun shining on you.

If you don't have AC there are things you can do to your home keep the temp low through the day. You essentially trap the cooler evening air and keep the sun out.

Re:Canada weather: Dozens dead as heatwave shatters records by bryanlarsen on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @10:42AM (#27689126)
That works great until it doesn't. A lot of Canadians depended on this mechanism instead of air conditioning, especially on the prairies which is semi-desert: high days, low nights and low humidity. But when your nighttime low is 27...
Re:Canada weather: Dozens dead as heatwave shatters records by mfer on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @02:08PM (#27691700)
A side thought... it's quite incredible how we in "the west" have managed to make our lives flow with little impact from seasons, weather, and stuff like that. Just in general. Thinking about how people had it 200 years ago... it was so different.
Re:Canada weather: Dozens dead as heatwave shatters records by masklinn on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @10:49AM (#27689232)
> If you don't have AC there are things you can do to your home keep the temp low through the day. You essentially trap the cooler evening air and keep the sun out.

That's the normal way to do it, but it doesn't work when there's no wind and air temp doesn't cool down significantly at night. Even fans throughout the dwelling don't end up cooling that much overall, because they really only move the air that's in their path (unless you already have ceiling fans to create larger turbulences and better mix the air).

Re:Canada weather: Dozens dead as heatwave shatters records by adolph on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @10:35AM (#27689055)
Agreed. In the weeks of no electricity after TS Ike I regretted taking my window plywood off. I had waited a few days and during those days the house was reasonably not cool thru the day but comfy. Without the plywood things got stuffy quickly (old original uninsulated windows).
Re:Canada weather: Dozens dead as heatwave shatters records by billfruit on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @11:54AM (#27690036)
It often makes me wonder why weather reports dont mention the wet bulb temperatures, is it that these measurements are not usually available from monitoring stations?
Re:Canada weather: Dozens dead as heatwave shatters records by gruez on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @12:00PM (#27690128)
Don't most weather reports mention the "feels like" temperature, which is essentially the same thing (temperature adjusted for humidity)?
Re:Canada weather: Dozens dead as heatwave shatters records by TYPE_FASTER on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @08:30PM (#27695109)
The NWS has a map with experimental wet bulb data here: https://digital.mdl.nws.noaa.gov/
Re:Canada weather: Dozens dead as heatwave shatters records by wnkrshm on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @09:44AM (#27688414)
Now is there a way to do architecture to passively remove moisture from the air...?
Re:Canada weather: Dozens dead as heatwave shatters records by voisin on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @10:31AM (#27689019)
Yes, dozens of ways to do this honed over millennia in hot humid climates, but put in use only by the fringe minority off grid types in modern societies now. God how I yearn to be a fringe minority off grid type. My time will come.