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Re:Note that I wouldn’t pass the listed minimum requirements by tut-urut-utut on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @08:27AM (#27687628)
Do people actually think the listed requirements are really requirements when applying for a job?

I was always believing that list requirements are just a wish list, something that the company would like to have in ideal case, but even they don't expect they will find an actual perfect match.

The more important thing when reading the job requirements is to figure out what is actually a core requirement that is important for the job, and what can be learned later, and just apply.

Re:Note that I wouldn’t pass the listed minimum requirements by rurounijones on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @08:31AM (#27687665)
> Do people actually think the listed requirements are really requirements when applying for a job?

When there are two lists in a job description named "minimum qualifications" and "preferred qualifications" I think a significant number of people would think _exactly_ that for the "minimum qualifications" list.

Women appear to be much more affected by this which biases job descriptions with ridiculous requirements to men: https://hbr.org/2014/08/why-women-dont-apply-for-jobs-unless...

Also see the comment by MS employee on the topic of "minimum requirements": https://twitter.com/colinmbrandt/status/1409577979731058699

Re:Note that I wouldn’t pass the listed minimum requirements by PragmaticPulp on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @09:34AM (#27688315)
> Do people actually think the listed requirements are really requirements when applying for a job?

I’m part of a mentoring group for college grads and junior engineers. It’s common for software engineers to assume that there is a clueless (and/or evil) HR person reading these resumes and executing the requirements listing like computer code. if(education.level < MASTERS) then return E_UNQUALIFIED. Even if John Carmack is applying.

A lot of them get advice from the internet or their parents that tends to be overly cynical and often dated. When we review resumes we often have to remove Microsoft Word and Excel from the qualifications section of programmer resumes because they heard from the internet or a parent that they’ll be rejected by automated HR software without those keyword. I still see people trying to keyword stuff their resumes with 6pt white text at the bottom (don’t do this)

In practice, hiring is hard and successful companies understand that they can’t afford to filter out qualified candidates over arbitrary low-signal missing requirements. I hope nobody really believes that Facebook HR people would reject John Carmack’s resume because it didn’t have a Master’s degree. That’s what Carmack himself is trying to explain. It should also be obvious that Carmack is the definition of an outlier in this scenario.

Re:Note that I wouldn’t pass the listed minimum requirements by aaronfitz on Thursday July 01, 2021 @10:11AM (#27699208)
> A lot of them get advice from the internet or their parents that tends to be overly cynical and often dated. When we review resumes we often have to remove Microsoft Word and Excel from the qualifications section of programmer resumes because they heard from the internet or a parent that they’ll be rejected by automated HR software without those keyword. I still see people trying to keyword stuff their resumes with 6pt white text at the bottom (don’t do this)

Why is this a bad idea? I've had my resume auto filtered out in the past and the keywords at the bottom seem to have helped. I don't try to hide it in white-on-white text, though. I have an explicit section (though in a very small font) titled something like "automated scanner keywords"

Re:Note that I wouldn’t pass the listed minimum requirements by scioto on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @09:15AM (#27688084)
I've had to lobby to remove several minimum requirements from my company's job listings because, at most, they're a wish list of the perfect developer to walk in the door. And they never do.

"And the candidate's name must be Carl because Carl just left, and PMs really got used to calling the Angular person Carl."

Re:Note that I wouldn’t pass the listed minimum requirements by asciimov on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @10:15AM (#27688815)
You joke, but one place I worked had just fired another "asciimov" for the role i took. The first week I was there, they kept asking if I had another name they could call me as they didn't like the former guy and calling me by name, "asciimov", bothered them.
Re:Note that I wouldn’t pass the listed minimum requirements by speeder on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @09:04AM (#27687982)
I've been applying for jobs for some... years? now.

I rarely apply to any position where I don't meet the mininum requeriments.

Also I've seen vacancies with huge lists of requeriments, including exotic ones (like being an RPG player) and I meet them all, sent a resume, and didn't got invited to the interview...

So I guess that indeed, the requeriments are bullshit.

Re:Note that I wouldn’t pass the listed minimum requirements by phaemon on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @09:17AM (#27688112)
Your odds of getting an interview don't significantly improve after you meet just 50% of the requirements (40% if you're female): https://talent.works/2018/11/27/the-science-of-the-job-searc...
Re:Note that I wouldn’t pass the listed minimum requirements by mechEpleb on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @08:31AM (#27687668)
The most important thing is just to apply because unless you're connected, the job search process is much like a lottery.
Re:Note that I wouldn’t pass the listed minimum requirements by uxp100 on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @09:25AM (#27688212)
I mean, I believe Microsoft has a hard filter where you must fill fill out a questionnaire about the job requirements and if you don't answer yes to a question like "Do you have a masters degree" I don't believe any human ever sees it. At least they turn around the rejection in 24 hours.
Re:Note that I wouldn’t pass the listed minimum requirements by Filligree on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @08:32AM (#27687670)
That’s why they’re minimum requirements. To filter out people who have no chance of being hired.