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Re:Google's Android Market is crippling small development teams by angryasian on Friday July 15, 2011 @03:23PM (#2768693)
Everything you've pointed out are sort of known issues with the google market. Instead of complaining switch to Apple store and see if you do any better. To me this is almost a trolling rant, to ignite the Apple vs Android debate and possibly a marketing ploy. Theres been plenty of posts about successes in the Android market. I actually think you've done quite well on the Android Market.

Release your game on the Apple market and let us know how well you do trying to get traction or downloads there.

>We looked at the apps currently available on Google's Market and realized that there is a lack of quality applications with dedicated developers.

This is completely untrue, and stop spreading this FUD. Most developers support both platforms and there are plenty of high quality applications.

*edited to address rant of high quality apps.

Re:Google's Android Market is crippling small development teams by Gobiner on Friday July 15, 2011 @05:44PM (#2769258)
You clearly did not read the posting you're commenting on. Nowhere does he say he made a game. Nowhere does he say he's never tried to find his own solutions. Nowhere does he say he hasn't done well. In fact he stated the opposite. He is no longer doing well because Google broke their own shit and don't seem to be in any particular hurry to address it. In case you missed it: Out of Milk went from doing extremely well to dead in the water almost overnight. We are working as hard we can to try and figure out solutions from our own end, but Google is the guy driving this bus and we can only do so much on our own.

Google's market problems aren't app developers responsibility to overcome just because they are 'sort of known'.

Re:Google's Android Market is crippling small development teams by angryasian on Friday July 15, 2011 @06:24PM (#2769378)
"Google's market problems aren't app developers responsibility to overcome just because they are 'sort of known'."

Ummm yes they are. When apple changes their policy for subscription, you either quit or adjust.. When twitter says no in stream ads to an ad company like ad.ly, they either quit or adjust, when facebook says no to an app that notifies users of changing relationship , you either quite or adjust... etc, etc.

Re:Google's Android Market is crippling small development teams by bond on Friday July 15, 2011 @09:25PM (#2769818)
Seems you don't develop for Android or you'll know google messed up the search algorithm and after a lot of complaints from developers and users who couldn't find apps, google started fixing things...
Re:Google's Android Market is crippling small development teams by angryasian on Friday July 15, 2011 @10:06PM (#2769892)
Well I do, but my business is not reliant on being in the top google search results. I have nothing to brag about, or complain about, as like I've stated, everything he's said has been addressed prior.
Re:Google's Android Market is crippling small development teams by bond on Friday July 15, 2011 @10:25PM (#2769920)
Well it seems you're mixing things up. Having a change in policy has nothing to do with bugs on the way the market performs.

One thing is a shift in direction from Google and another is bugs that prevents developers and users from finding apps.

On a other post you talk about marketing as if would make any difference. There's a lot of developers complaining users couldn't find their apps after they were told to look for them on the market. How would a marketing campaign solve this problem?

It's Google's duty to provide developers and users with a reliable market experience.

Re:Google's Android Market is crippling small development teams by angryasian on Friday July 15, 2011 @10:52PM (#2769972)
I've been trying to be constructive and help you guys, but clearly you just wanted to come here and complain. You guy should just give up, because google won't fix their customer service and won't fix your search rankings and probably in general won't do anything to help you. The next think you should try is making another app on either market and complain about all the deficiencies of either market instead of focusing on figuring out how to get over limitations and being successful
Re:Google's Android Market is crippling small development teams by bond on Friday July 15, 2011 @11:13PM (#2770005)
You guy should just give up, because google won't fix their customer service and won't fix your search rankings and probably in general won't do anything to help you.

I disagree, if it weren't for the complains of developers and users google wouldn't fix the search algorithm like it's doing right now. If we developers didn't complain about issues with the Developer Console things would have been much worse than it is now...

If something isn't right we have the obligation to speak and not just accept it like it's a done deal and we can't do anything about it...

Re:Google's Android Market is crippling small development teams by alohahacker on Friday July 15, 2011 @11:39PM (#2770050)
they are actually fixing the search algortithm due to the massive complaints they have gotten recently.

especially in the support forums. hes just stating the truth. i know because im experiencing the exact same thing.

Re:Google's Android Market is crippling small development teams by ssutch on Friday July 15, 2011 @03:32PM (#2768740)
It's not a game, it's a todo/shopping list that cost $5. It won't fair well on the Apple App Store as there are already 100's if not 1000's of those apps, many of which have been polished to a mirror finish.
Re:Google's Android Market is crippling small development teams by masklinn on Friday July 15, 2011 @03:34PM (#2768746)
> Release your game on the Apple market and let us know how well you do trying to get traction or downloads there.

Considering it's a shopping/todo list and the apple store is already filled to the brim with high quality software in that space (it's always been one of the most crowded spaces in the store), unless they have something very, very compelling to offer I can't see it do much.

Re:Google's Android Market is crippling small development teams by CCapigami on Friday July 15, 2011 @03:30PM (#2768731)
Things are pretty different in regards to application quality right now and when we released the first version of our application. Just wanted to share that.
Re:Google's Android Market is crippling small development teams by shareme on Friday July 15, 2011 @03:44PM (#2768788)
Have you considered going through android market/developer relations instead of general support?

If you google enough times you will find names and email and position titles(ie what areas of developer relations they handle) In fact there is a specific page listing all this stuff even..

Re:Google's Android Market is crippling small development teams by alohahacker on Friday July 15, 2011 @11:41PM (#2770054)
a good thing ive found because im facing the same issues is google and find memebers on the android team on google+/quora?twitter and let them know firsthand the problems

this has seem to work for me and escalates the prob very fast! :)

Re:Google's Android Market is crippling small development teams by guelo on Friday July 15, 2011 @03:58PM (#2768840)
Are you doing a reddit style performance based on your username? If so it is not funny or appropriate, if not I don't get why you're so aggressive and accusatory with your reply.
Re:Google's Android Market is crippling small development teams by angryasian on Friday July 15, 2011 @05:24PM (#2769176)
My only point is he is blaming google for everyone of his own failures. Rather than blaming google, do something productive about it. A lot of these issues have been known issues and if he did any sort of diligence would be fully aware of these by now. As I pointed out there are plenty of successes on the Google Market, and a lot of developers on doing very well on the Market itself.

I welcome his advice for other developers to wait, that means more opportunity for developers that do want to develop on the Android marketplace.

Re:Google's Android Market is crippling small development teams by mmmarvin on Friday July 15, 2011 @05:46PM (#2769261)
Your point makes no sense. How is the fact that Google has horrible support his fault? How is the fact that Google isn't updating the stats his fault? How is the fact that Google changed the search algorithm his fault?

> "A lot of these issues have been known issues and if he did any sort of diligence would be fully aware of these by now"

Oh, so these are known issues now and not "his fault." Becoming "aware" of these issues doesn't make them magically go away. This issues are still on-going despite what Google's Known Issues page says. Whatever argument you are trying to make here you're doing a horrible job at it.

Re:Google's Android Market is crippling small development teams by angryasian on Friday July 15, 2011 @06:16PM (#2769354)
no need to be argumentative, but again.. no one is telling you guys to develop for the Android Market, go do apps on the Apple market if all these things are so troublesome for your team. I imagine you can do search and see all these issues in the past, and rather ranting figure out how to work around it, theres actually been a lot of good suggestion in this thread, and I can see you continue to place the blame on Google. So what it is their fault.. they won't fix .. now do something about it. Believe me theres plenty of opportunity on the Android market for good apps.

Second, working on any platform changes occur all the time.. example: Twitter and Facebook developers get screwed all the time, Apple just changed their subscription policy, Google changed their regular search algorithm to take down content farms.. Yes companies change their policies constantly its up to the developers to adjust or quit.

Re:Google's Android Market is crippling small development teams by bond on Friday July 15, 2011 @09:30PM (#2769828)
Google changed their regular search algorithm to take down content farms

How is changing the algorithm so low quality apps are always first on the results taking down content farms? Sorry but you don't know what you're talking about....

Re:Google's Android Market is crippling small development teams by angryasian on Friday July 15, 2011 @10:04PM (#2769891)
the point is if you develop and depend on a particular platform you are at the mercy of the platform owner. You either make changes and figure out how to get around it, like how about less reliance on google's search and go out and do some other marketing.
Re:Google's Android Market is crippling small development teams by yalogin on Friday July 15, 2011 @03:47PM (#2768799)
He was probably talking about the quality of shopping list apps when they were surveying the various market places. Its not necessarily an indication of the situation now.
Re:Google's Android Market is crippling small development teams by angryasian on Friday July 15, 2011 @05:20PM (#2769156)
well from what I can see his first review is in February of this year.