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Re:Google no longer requires AMP, but the replacement might ... by nybble41 on Monday June 28, 2021 @02:17PM (#27665506)
> your house, your rules

You're not in their "house". You're just communicating with someone who is. If some foreign government has a problem with that communication they should take it up with the party who is physically within their jurisdiction—not that I believe they have any just standing there either.

Re:Google no longer requires AMP, but the replacement might ... by scott_w on Monday June 28, 2021 @02:51PM (#27666043)
You’re trying to do business in another country with different rules. If you want to sell food into the EU, you need to comply with their food safety regulations.

Why does this magically change when someone utters the words “the internet?”

Re:Google no longer requires AMP, but the replacement might ... by nybble41 on Monday June 28, 2021 @03:24PM (#27666560)
> You’re trying to do business in another country with different rules.

You are not doing business in another country. First, there may not be any "business" involved at all. More importantly, however, you are not in the other country. The other person is. If physical property is involved then someone—not necessarily you—is going to need to worry about import/export regulations when moving it across the border. When it comes to virtual services and websites, however, those concerns rooted in physical transportation do not apply.

> Why does this magically change when someone utters the words “the internet?”

It makes no difference whether you're communicating over the Internet or by phone or two-way radio or postal mail or carrier pigeon, or by shouting to each other across the border. So long as you're only exchanging data and not physical goods they can implement technical measures to block the communication at the border, or order their own residents not to communicate with you—in which case I would advise them to make arrangements leave the country posthaste—but you yourself remain outside their jurisdiction.

Re:Google no longer requires AMP, but the replacement might ... by scott_w on Monday June 28, 2021 @04:11PM (#27667305)
This is not about “data” moving over borders. This is about services being provided from one country to another. This is something governments already regulate within their borders (and have for centuries).

This is something that’s already heavily regulated for other industries e.g. financial services. There’s nothing novel about the GDPR in that aspect.

Re:Google no longer requires AMP, but the replacement might ... by nybble41 on Monday June 28, 2021 @04:46PM (#27667868)
> This is not about “data” moving over borders. This is about services being provided from one country to another.

Services which involve nothing but data, and thus still fall under the category of "data moving over borders". And, consequently, freedom of speech.

Re:Google no longer requires AMP, but the replacement might ... by scott_w on Monday June 28, 2021 @04:50PM (#27667922)
No service involves “nothing but data.” This has nothing to do with freedom of speech, it’s governing the rules of business transactions between two entities across borders. Stop throwing out spurious terms to try and cloud the debate.
Re:Google no longer requires AMP, but the replacement might ... by wyager on Monday June 28, 2021 @05:28PM (#27668397)
> No service involves “nothing but data.”

May I introduce you to services such as Wikipedia.com and news.ycombinator.com?

Re:Google no longer requires AMP, but the replacement might ... by scott_w on Monday June 28, 2021 @11:59PM (#27671603)
Neither of those are just data. One provides information about topics of interest that you can edit, one provides a forum through you can interact with other people.
Re:Google no longer requires AMP, but the replacement might ... by nybble41 on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @11:55AM (#27690048)
> information about topics of interest that you can edit

Which is literally just data.

> a forum through you can interact with other people

Which is just a means of exchanging data.

What is missing in both cases is any transportation of people or material across the border.

Re:Google no longer requires AMP, but the replacement might ... by wyager on Monday June 28, 2021 @05:26PM (#27668383)
Your model is nonsense - physical goods are not the same as digital goods.

Regardless of whether or not your model actually makes sense, an inevitable consequence of your model is that the internet will become siloed at a national level. It sounds like you’re fine with that though.

Re:Google no longer requires AMP, but the replacement might ... by scott_w on Monday June 28, 2021 @11:59PM (#27671608)
They’re not the same but they don’t need to be. It’s not my model, it’s just the way the world has always worked.
Re:Google no longer requires AMP, but the replacement might ... by wyager on Tuesday June 29, 2021 @08:57AM (#27675146)
Show me a company that ever got sued, indicted, or fined by a foreign country for sending internet packets to that country, with no other business presence in the country, before 2010.
Re:Google no longer requires AMP, but the replacement might ... by scott_w on Tuesday June 29, 2021 @10:30AM (#27676270)
Not a company but USA vs Gary McKinnon 2002.