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Re:Disproportionate amount of bad online behaviour stems fro... by mcguire on Friday June 25, 2021 @04:59PM (#27636200)
I would agree; "homophobes" are not afraid of homosexuality.
Re:Disproportionate amount of bad online behaviour stems fro... by faeriechangling on Friday June 25, 2021 @07:34PM (#27637545)
When I've looked into the research they tend to be mostly disgusted by homosexuality. Disgust sensitivity and Homophobia correlate whereas neuroticism and homophobia don't which you would predict if homophobes were literally afraid of gay people.

Homophobia is just a nice spin though. For the most part I couldn't care less about who people are dating or boning.

Re:Disproportionate amount of bad online behaviour stems fro... by the_only_law on Friday June 25, 2021 @07:45PM (#27637606)
And hydrophobic substances do not express the emotion of fear against water.
Re:Disproportionate amount of bad online behaviour stems fro... by slipframe on Friday June 25, 2021 @11:01PM (#27638671)
Hydrophobic dogs do fear water though.

(Hydrophobia is another name for rabies. Rabies often induces a fear of water.)

Re:Disproportionate amount of bad online behaviour stems fro... by heavyset_go on Friday June 25, 2021 @09:17PM (#27638134)
Many of them are afraid of a spectrum of things between being thought of as gay to actually being gay, to being afraid that their kids are/will be gay.

It wasn't that long ago that they were claiming that gay marriage and acceptance would cause society to collapse, and believing that God would punish everyone for it. I had a neighbor who claimed that hurricane devastation is God's doing because gay marriage was legalized.

Re:Disproportionate amount of bad online behaviour stems fro... by krapp on Friday June 25, 2021 @05:37PM (#27636586)
I kind of disagree. To me, there does seem to be an element of fear behind homophobia, and homophobes often act as if "the gay" is something they can catch like a disease, or be talked or tricked into. It's practically a stereotype for homophobes to present as hypermasculine in order to avoid doing or saying anything that might be perceived as "gay." Some men won't even wipe themselves out of fear that the sensation of toilet paper on their buttocks will turn them gay.

And that's not even getting into political and culture fears like male-to-female transgender people "trapping" men into having sex with them, or using the "wrong" bathrooms, or the extreme right-wing fears of a "gay agenda" to undermine traditional Christian-oriented culture, or "feminizing chemicals" being added to the water (the whole "gay frogs" thing) to increase the homosexual population and emasculate male aggression and military readiness. People even argue that homosexuality presents a threat to human evolution itself, despite being present in many known (and not extinct) animal species and likely humanity's own evolutionary ancestors as well as humanity itself.

Re:Disproportionate amount of bad online behaviour stems fro... by mcguire on Friday June 25, 2021 @06:28PM (#27637045)
""feminizing chemicals" being added to the water (the whole "gay frogs" thing) to increase the homosexual population and emasculate male aggression and military readiness..."

Actually that part is kinda true. A fair bit of the effluent from paper mills, say, are estrogen analogs.

Re:Disproportionate amount of bad online behaviour stems fro... by faeriechangling on Friday June 25, 2021 @07:43PM (#27637592)
It's disgust not fear, which explains the disease analogy. Although I suppose we do call people germophobic.
Re:Disproportionate amount of bad online behaviour stems fro... by Tainnor on Friday June 25, 2021 @09:25PM (#27638181)
I think it's often specifically the fear that condoning homosexuality will somehow undermine your masculinity (or that of your nation or whatever).
Re:Disproportionate amount of bad online behaviour stems fro... by taneq on Friday June 25, 2021 @06:19PM (#27636967)
This whole trope of recasting "anti-X" as "X-phobic" is something that really irks me. Maybe there's a group of closeted X who doth protest too much, but there's generally a much larger group of people who are just assholes to X, and trying to spin it as "they're just afraid of you" smacks too much of the old "the bullies are just jealous". No, often it's not jealousy, it's just people being assholes to targets they think can't fight back.
Re:Disproportionate amount of bad online behaviour stems fro... by pseudalopex on Friday June 25, 2021 @07:16PM (#27637407)
Phobic doesn't just mean afraid. Hydrophobic molecules for example.
Re:Disproportionate amount of bad online behaviour stems fro... by slipframe on Friday June 25, 2021 @11:10PM (#27638714)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_phobia

> Specific phobia is an anxiety disorder, characterized by an extreme, unreasonable, and irrational fear associated with a specific object or situation.[1][2] Specific phobia can lead to avoidance of the object or situation, persistence of the fear, and significant distress or problems functioning associated with the fear. A phobia can be the fear of anything.

Whatever the term originally meant to the greeks, it does seem to be knit with the concept of fear today.

Re:Disproportionate amount of bad online behaviour stems fro... by pseudalopex on Saturday June 26, 2021 @02:00AM (#27639526)
The suffix has more than 1 meaning.[1]

[1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/phobic

Re:Disproportionate amount of bad online behaviour stems fro... by taneq on Friday June 25, 2021 @08:17PM (#27637820)
Phobic literally means fear, from the ancient Greek 'phobos', meaning... fear.

It's used for things (like hydrophobic molecules) that avoid other things (in this case water) as if they fear them.

Unless we're doing one of those "literally literally means figuratively" things here in which case... meh?

Just to be crystal clear here, I'm not saying we don't have groups who are anti-X for whatever value of X. I'm saying that recasting (and often miscasting) that antipathy as (maybe masked) fear is counterproductive.

Re:Disproportionate amount of bad online behaviour stems fro... by pseudalopex on Friday June 25, 2021 @10:26PM (#27638511)
That's the etymological fallacy. Phobic literally means having an intolerance or aversion for.[1]

[1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/phobic

Re:Disproportionate amount of bad online behaviour stems fro... by taneq on Friday June 25, 2021 @11:15PM (#27638741)
There's still a chasm between "having an intolerance of or aversion for" and "being mean to".
Re:Disproportionate amount of bad online behaviour stems fro... by pseudalopex on Saturday June 26, 2021 @02:01AM (#27639531)
Being mean to people because they belong to a group is intolerant of that group.