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Re:Rally, a novel privacy-first data sharing platform by jonathanmayer on Friday June 25, 2021 @09:35AM (#27630575)
Common research methods have significant limitations. Web crawls, for instance, usually don't realistically simulate user activity and experiences. Lab studies often involve simplified systems that don't generalize to the real world. Surveys yield self-reported data, which can be very unreliable.

Rally studies, by contrast, reflect real-world user activity and experiences. In science jargon, Rally enables field studies and intervention experiments with excellent ecological validity.

Re:Rally, a novel privacy-first data sharing platform by ysavir on Friday June 25, 2021 @11:04AM (#27631673)
Thanks for clarifying! Makes sense.

A few follow up questions:

1. Do you expect the opt-in nature of these studies to impact their findings?

2. To compensate for the voluntary nature of the studies, do you think researchers in general will still be incentivized to find data sources that are less respectful of people's privacy and don't require an opt-in to the study?

Re:Rally, a novel privacy-first data sharing platform by jonathanmayer on Friday June 25, 2021 @12:45PM (#27633212)
> 1. Do you expect the opt-in nature of these studies to impact their findings?

The Rally participant population is not representative of the U.S. population—these are users who run Firefox (other browsers coming soon), choose to join Rally, and choose to join a study. In research jargon, there's significant sampling bias.

For some studies, that's OK, because the research doesn't depend on a representative sample. For other studies, researchers can approximate U.S. population demographics. When a user joins Rally, they can optionally provide demographic information. Researchers can then use the demographics with reweighting, matching, subsampling, and similar methods to approximate a representative population. Those methods already appear throughout social science; whether they're sufficient also depends on the study.

> 2. To compensate for the voluntary nature of the studies, do you think researchers in general will still be incentivized to find data sources that are less respectful of people's privacy and don't require an opt-in to the study?

Rally is designed to provide a new research capability that didn't exist before. I don't expect a substitution effect like that.

Re:Rally, a novel privacy-first data sharing platform by ysavir on Friday June 25, 2021 @02:10PM (#27634333)
Got it. Thanks Jonathan!
Re:Rally, a novel privacy-first data sharing platform by cycomanic on Friday June 25, 2021 @02:11PM (#27634372)
Regarding 2. that would run afoul of many ethics boards at universities. Generally they require that (informed) consent has been given to take part in the study.
Re:Rally, a novel privacy-first data sharing platform by cpeterso on Friday June 25, 2021 @12:37PM (#27633085)
> Rally studies, by contrast, reflect real-world user activity and experiences. In science jargon, Rally enables field studies and intervention experiments with excellent ecological validity.

Rally users are all opt-in. How does that impact the design of a Rally study and the conclusions you can draw from it?

Re:Rally, a novel privacy-first data sharing platform by 9wzYQbTYsAIc on Friday June 25, 2021 @12:57PM (#27633367)
Academic research in the social sciences is rigorously based on the concept of informed consent (i.e., opt-in), in the first place.

There would be no change in terms of research design and the ability to draw scientific conclusions.

edit: also, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27633212 for details on research design considerations when conducting social science.

Re:Rally, a novel privacy-first data sharing platform by analognoise on Friday June 25, 2021 @02:14PM (#27634412)
Except as noted elsewhere, Mozilla also gets the data to "improve products and services" right?

So it sounds like a nice shiny cloak for...exactly the kind of data collection nobody actually likes.

Yay for extra steps?

Re:Rally, a novel privacy-first data sharing platform by yellowfish on Friday June 25, 2021 @02:22PM (#27634508)
Mozilla has been known to be pretty iffy when it comes to 'opt in' ( the mr. robot tie in .. etc )
Re:Rally, a novel privacy-first data sharing platform by Nicksil on Friday June 25, 2021 @02:25PM (#27634547)
>Mozilla has been known to be pretty iffy when it comes to 'opt in' ( the mr. robot tie in .. etc )

Did the instance you're referencing state it was opt-in then turn out to not be opt-in?