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Re:You should probably quit your job by AndrewDucker on Thursday July 14, 2011 @05:16AM (#2762284)
I don't actually feel the need to change the world.

There are some things I enjoy tinkering with, and I've been involved in a couple of minor political causes, but I clearly don't feel the same urge that this person does to get out there and remake the world.

And so I am not likely to quit my job (which pays quite nicely, doesn't overstress me, and brings me the security to relax at the weekends and in the evenings) and go change the world.

I don't feel bad about that.

Re:You should probably quit your job by Mz on Thursday July 14, 2011 @05:30AM (#2762304)
People who feel some overwhelming need to Change The World are basically projecting: Their "world" (internal mental landscape, personal life, whatever) is in desperate need of an overhaul. (Edit: I know because this was me, say, 20 to 30 years ago. Then I fixed my personal crap. I no longer feel like lecturing everyone else about what they "should" be doing.)

I won't even read the piece. I skimmed it. This is the closing line: You should quit your job. But, sadly, you probably won't. (It feels like a kick in the gut to even read that much.) That and the title tell me all I need to know: This individual has poor boundaries and feels entitled to screw with other people and their lives due to his dissatisfaction.

Thank you so much for not being like him. You have absolutely nothing to feel bad about (so I am glad you don't). The world would be a better place if more people were, like you, basically happy with their lives and trying to do some little things to make the world better rather than trying to promote their own Final Solution and running around lecturing people on how they should live. As a general rule of thumb, I will read things that are titled "Why I did X" and won't read things titled "Why you should do X". He knows nothing about me or my life. It is hugely egomaniacal (not to mention delusional) to presume he knows what's best for me.

Peace.

Re:You should probably quit your job by kore on Thursday July 14, 2011 @06:29AM (#2762433)
While I agree with some of your sentiments about the author, it feels like you're doing a bit of the same by claiming that everybody who wants to change the world are doing so only because they're projecting.

I say so with some defensiveness because one of my greatest goals in life is to do just that, to make a difference, as cliche as it is. And yes, I've quit my old job so I could pursue it. We all look around this world and see things that aren't quite right, that we'd like to see changed, and I'm no different. I'd like to be able to do something about it though, big things, not just sit idly by.

All too often in life I've been happy just coasting along, taking the easy road in front of me, pursuing good grades in earnest, working hard, and making a good living at interesting jobs. That brings me no closer to my goals in life though, that's not my dream. Some of us have dreams that can be achieved while working 9-5, that's great, but if you have a dream that's important to you, that requires you to quit, do give it some thought. You only have one life.

Re:You should probably quit your job by talkingquickly on Thursday July 14, 2011 @07:24AM (#2762554)
"Some of us have dreams that can be achieved while working 9-5, that's great, but if you have a dream that's important to you, that requires you to quit, do give it some thought. You only have one life."

I think that pretty much sums it up. I Agree on the preference for "Why I did this" rather than "Why you should" but I'm guessing the author was trying to make the point that there seem to be an awful lot of people who fall into the "I'll pursue my dream sometime" category.

For them - and I assume they are the authors target audience - an article with a title which is a direct call to an action already in the back of their minds, is one they're likely to read. Perhaps a better title would have been "If this describes you, quit your job"...but that isn't quite as good as link bait!

Re:You should probably quit your job by CapitalistCartr on Thursday July 14, 2011 @10:52AM (#2763282)
The difference is between saying, "I feel a desire to change the World," and saying, "Everyone should do as I do because everyone feels as I do."
Re:You should probably quit your job by Mz on Thursday July 14, 2011 @08:17AM (#2762674)
I am unfortunately at work. I usually do not log into HN from work. I am doing so as a curtesy to you. Any other replies I might care to make can wait until tonight.

it feels like you're doing a bit of the same by claiming that everybody who wants to change the world are doing so only because they're projecting.

You left out the words "overwhelming need". It speaks of desperation, which is very different from having goals.

All too often in life I've been happy just coasting along, taking the easy road in front of me, pursuing good grades in earnest, working hard, and making a good living at interesting jobs. That brings me no closer to my goals in life though, that's not my dream.

I have never coasted or taken the easy road. I have consistently chosen the hard road. And please note you are stating that your desire to change the world is a personal need, not really for the benefit of the world, but to satisfy a dream. There is nothng wrong with that. Nothing at all. But do keep in mind conflict of interest: If you really, really want to make the world a better place, it helps to take a skeptical eye towards your own motives. Setting aside my ego so I could do something of real note has been one of my biggest challenges in recent years. I would be happy to discuss it more with you, on hn or off, after I am on my own time and not my employers.

Peace.

Re:You should probably quit your job by wladimir on Thursday July 14, 2011 @07:41AM (#2762584)
Right. Most people that have really improved the world have not done so by telling other people what to do, but by doing something themselves.

But I think you're wrong in that everyone that tries to change the world only has personal issues to overcome, and if they do everything is alright. Believing that is pretty much solipsism. Sometimes the world really is wrong and can be fixed.

Re:You should probably quit your job by ams6110 on Thursday July 14, 2011 @09:20AM (#2762868)
Very few people have an objective perception of "the world," and and so ideas about what is "wrong" and how to "fix" it are therefore almost always flawed.
Re:You should probably quit your job by Mz on Thursday July 14, 2011 @05:22PM (#2765183)
But I think you're wrong in that everyone that tries to change the world only has personal issues to overcome, and if they do everything is alright. Believing that is pretty much solipsism. Sometimes the world really is wrong and can be fixed.

No, that isn't my point at all. My point is that berating other people and lecturing them in the way this piece does typically comes from insecurity, hurt and so on. I would like to change the world and fix some things that are wrong. But I am not desperate to do so, I do not have overwhelming need, I try very hard to avoid sounding like I am lecturing. I don't always get it right. I just know that berating people does not make for less bad in the world, it makes for more bad -- it hurts people's feelings, it tears down their self esteem and so on. I spend a lot of time pondering how to resolve real problems effectively. I know from long experience that this approach is really not it.

Peace.

Re:You should probably quit your job by danielharan on Thursday July 14, 2011 @01:29PM (#2763991)
Oh, so you are projecting your pattern of 20 or 30 years ago on everyone else and lecturing us about how we're just selfish for changing the world?

I've seen plenty of people who have fixed their personal crap -- at that point they realized they were far more passionate about helping others than continuing to advance their careers.

Re:You should probably quit your job by felipemnoa on Thursday July 14, 2011 @01:43PM (#2764059)
He wasn't talking to you. He is talking to the people that would like to quit their jobs. They know who they are. Too many people dream about doing something else but they never do. No need to get offended about this, unless you still have some deep desire to do it and that is why it bothers you?
Re:You should probably quit your job by Mz on Thursday July 14, 2011 @05:26PM (#2765205)
Nah, I'm not offended. And he was talking "to me": He said "You", which means anyone who reads the piece is being addressed directly even though it doesn't have my name in it. I would be perfectly happy to read a piece by him on why he left his job and such. I imagine that's a compelling story and would most likely go a lot further towards inspiring real change and inspiring the target audience (whomever that might be) towards actual action than this piece which is basically crabbing at them and assuming the worst about them.

Peace.

Re:You should probably quit your job by Jeema3000 on Thursday July 14, 2011 @01:20PM (#2763946)
I don't think he's trying to lecture anyone - probably speaking from personal feeling rather. I mean... life is ultimately kind of a Sisyphean existance when you think about it (as the philosopher Albert Camus once pointed out). Some people don't get bothered by that, but other people can get very down thinking about the existential nature of things. And that feeling can be the impetus to want to try something different with their lives that has more meaning to them. I don't see that as a bad thing...
Re:You should probably quit your job by Tichy on Thursday July 14, 2011 @06:06AM (#2762381)
It is better for me if other people are content with their shitty jobs, hence I also feel like applauding the commenter above.

Just keep consuming what society feeds you. It's only for your best, trust me.

Re:You should probably quit your job by leftnode on Thursday July 14, 2011 @09:15AM (#2762849)
Yup, I read Guy Kawasaki's "Art of the Start" where he says you should make a startup and change the world. It's incredibly frightening to think that, and I wouldn't recommend it for anyone.

Very few people change the world in the sense the author means (Mark Zuckerberg, Larry/Sergey, loads of scientists, etc).

But if you can set out to change someones world, I think you'll find your work more interesting and rewarding.

Re:You should probably quit your job by evilswan on Thursday July 14, 2011 @05:28AM (#2762300)
...and neither should you. If you're happy where you are then you already have more than most.
Re:You should probably quit your job by rdin on Thursday July 14, 2011 @05:29AM (#2762303)
I agree, quitting isn't for everybody. But one thing everybody can do is at least consider other options that fit with their risk profiles
Re:You should probably quit your job by Tichy on Thursday July 14, 2011 @06:08AM (#2762384)
So your goal in life is essentially to relax?
Re:You should probably quit your job by AndrewDucker on Thursday July 14, 2011 @06:19AM (#2762412)
Good Lord No.

I also want to make life better for my fiancee, and make sure that I'm in a secure position for raising children.

If my job was making me unhappy then I'd move to a different one. And I've quit jobs before when the management were doing things I disapproved of.

And I give money to charity, and (as I said) get involved in occasional political things (like the voting reform referendum earlier this year).

Re:You should probably quit your job by Tichy on Thursday July 14, 2011 @09:31AM (#2762917)
In a reasonably ideal world, most normal jobs are actually useful, too... It's not as if only charity work is worthwhile.
Re:You should probably quit your job by smashing on Thursday July 14, 2011 @07:15AM (#2762524)
You come across as judgmental to me. If there were more people who's goal was essentially to relax, how bad would things be?
Re:You should probably quit your job by Tichy on Thursday July 14, 2011 @07:57AM (#2762616)
I did not say that relaxing is bad. I just wanted to clarify if that was the ultimate life's goal.

Although I can't help thinking that to be dead would probably be the ultimate relaxation. So if relaxing is your goal, why bother?

Re:You should probably quit your job by fabjan on Thursday July 14, 2011 @07:22AM (#2762547)
Mine is, or I don't really know.

What's the problem?

Re:You should probably quit your job by btcoal on Thursday July 14, 2011 @11:32AM (#2763474)
I just have never been able to understand how some people can look at all the challenges in the world and not feel a need to solve one of them.

But, I admit, this is the majority of most people. Of the minority of people that really feel compelled to "make a dent in the universe" (Steve Jobs) the majority of them are probably stuck in meaningless jobs. This article speaks to this group.

Re:You should probably quit your job by Tichy on Thursday July 14, 2011 @07:55AM (#2762609)
No problem - just wanted to be clear.
Re:You should probably quit your job by mannicken on Thursday July 14, 2011 @04:04PM (#2764811)
And your goal is to pretend you're making a huge difference that will probably not get noticed by anyone, and even if it does, it will be for a very short period of time and after a while everyone will die and forget about it, and then the Earth will die of heat death or something, and everything you made with your "YEAAAH!" enthusiasm and pain will be destroyed anyway.

Have fun with that perspective ;-)