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Re:Catalytic Converter Theft by bluedino on Thursday June 24, 2021 @08:31AM (#27616549)
Then they can show their mechanic's license. There's no reason for Joe off the street to come in with a backpack full of these things. Especially ones that are brand new. Here's 20 stolen from a dealership the other night - https://abc13.com/la-porte-car-dealership-theft-catalytic-co...
Re:Catalytic Converter Theft by throwaway0a5e on Thursday June 24, 2021 @08:49AM (#27616714)
>Then they can show their mechanic's license.

Scrapyards already need licenses (permits). Adding licensing requirements will just result in the people with licenses buying from the thiefs. It's just another middleman in the chain.

If anything it makes the problem worse because scrapyards often do turn away obvious thieves. A mechanic showing up with ten legit converters and forty stolen ones he bought off the thief gives the scrapyard plausible deniability. Furthermore it moves the illicit transaction outside of a legit commercial establishment and to wherever the thief and the mechanic care to meet.

It's already acknowledged that without enforcement against the people who are actually cutting the cats off regulatory requirements just displace the problem and shift the profit around.

Being a mechanic doesn't require a license although running the commercial establishment generally has some permitting requirements.

Re:Catalytic Converter Theft by dragontamer on Thursday June 24, 2021 @10:10AM (#27617725)
> Adding licensing requirements will just result in the people with licenses buying from the thiefs.

Lets think about this situation in programming terms. "Fixing this exploit will just result in the people finding another bug to exploit".

Well... yeah. That's the point. You don't necessarily want to stop all crimes (I mean, you do, but that's just unreasonable). Everyone is happy with simple deterrence: making crime harder to do and harder to logically manage.

And you keep fixing the law until the criminals / unwanted behavior is finally fixed. You gotta start somewhere, much like you gotta start fixing code exploits if you want to fix the security in your software.

Re:Catalytic Converter Theft by beerandt on Thursday June 24, 2021 @12:26PM (#27619892)
This is the thinking that got us:

1) the mess that is DRM, whether for software or media, and

2) to the point of 10-step windows activation (including phone calls and having to reinstall because one version only takes retail keys and another only takes oem keys and another only uses network auth), and

3) video games that try and re-authenticate between every frame of play

And tons of other "fixes" that just punish users and don't really deter bad behavior.

Software is bad enough; we shouldn't need to authenticate our exhaust system before recycling it.

Re:Catalytic Converter Theft by emodendroket on Thursday June 24, 2021 @02:20PM (#27621788)
How often does your average person sell scrap parts? I don't think the situations are analogous.
Re:Catalytic Converter Theft by beerandt on Thursday June 24, 2021 @02:27PM (#27621885)
The gross sum of time spent tracing the origins of scrap will be greater than money lost due to theft.

The answer is mitigated risk via insurance and prevention, not a preemptive policing of all privately owned items of value.

Re:Catalytic Converter Theft by emodendroket on Thursday June 24, 2021 @09:37PM (#27626213)
> The gross sum of time spent tracing the origins of scrap will be greater than money lost due to theft.

I am quite skeptical that this is true.

Re:Catalytic Converter Theft by throwaway0a5e on Thursday June 24, 2021 @02:28PM (#27621899)
The people that do it as a hobby/side gig probably go through 2-25 cars/yr with the people on the higher end doing more scrapping and less individual part selling.
Re:Catalytic Converter Theft by emodendroket on Thursday June 24, 2021 @09:38PM (#27626218)
Yes, we can always dream up some extreme case where somebody would find it onerous. How should we weigh that against a lot of people who are just trying to use their car to get to work having their catalytic converters stolen?
Re:Catalytic Converter Theft by throwaway0a5e on Thursday June 24, 2021 @04:52PM (#27623596)
This isn't fixing an exploit. It's slapping a manager review on anything that gets run on the prod DB.
Re:Catalytic Converter Theft by 01100011 on Thursday June 24, 2021 @11:28AM (#27619014)
Adding another middleman makes the thefts less efficient and less profitable for the thieves. Sounds like a win to me. Sure, it doesn't stop it completely. So what?
Re:Catalytic Converter Theft by throwaway0a5e on Thursday June 24, 2021 @01:43PM (#27621242)
If they're not getting prosecuted enough to make them stop adding middle men and reducing profit means they'll steal more cats to get their fix.
Re:Catalytic Converter Theft by Turing_Machine on Thursday June 24, 2021 @08:46AM (#27616687)
"Mechanic's license"?
Re:Catalytic Converter Theft by cartoonworld on Thursday June 24, 2021 @09:22PM (#27626094)
I got this.

The "Mechanics License" is an informal certification that all reputable technicians in the US employ and is widely recognized. It's a form of de-facto licensure that's easily recognized at a glancing distance, and serves to ensure that a mechanic is not going to leave on a moments notice, without at least bolting a wheel on. Instead, he or she will tell the foreman or whomever's name is on the sign, likely to call a tow truck for Friday.

It goes like this: Once a young apprentice lube tech graduates from Harbor F. University, an unusual ritual occurs in most mechanic's shops where a large, diesel, truck with a lift gate and a Square terminal approaches.

A nondescript individual emerges from the truck, (slowly, as to not alarm anybody who has a pending tab) where our young acolyte is soon taken gingerly by the hand and ushered onto this mysterious conveyance.

Seven or Eight hundred dollars later, the young, oily apprentice emerges holding a shiny, new, silver gun and possibly a ratchet and a t-shirt or pocket protector.

Most seasoned veterans will recognize this as their Mechanic's License. It's good for brake jobs, mostly.

If you foul up to many times in the shop, they call the MAC or Snap-On guy who will gun it in his diesel and demand full payment for the impact tool and ratchet. They usually get to keep the shirt though, because, yuck, you know?

Re:Catalytic Converter Theft by JshWright on Thursday June 24, 2021 @09:03AM (#27616850)
Many US states require auto repair businesses to be registered, which would be a reasonable thing to tie back to (if this was a reasonable idea in the first place, which it isn't).