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Re:The Google black hole: What happens to startups when they... by josefresco on Thursday August 14, 2008 @10:10AM (#276089)
Excellent article, I didn't know that so many startups went to Google just to rot away under mountains of management and infrastructure/policy hell.

If you have any chance of making it on your own, I'd turn down Google money in an instant after reading this.

Re:The Google black hole: What happens to startups when they... by drewcrawford on Thursday August 14, 2008 @10:21AM (#276108)
The thing about Google money is that a dollar Google gives you is worth one dollar.

Personally, I would evaluate "Google" money based on the numbers.

Re:The Google black hole: What happens to startups when they... by ajross on Thursday August 14, 2008 @10:31AM (#276117)
Indeed. From the perspective of a developer, I can see not wanting your baby to be ignored in a corporate bureaucracy. But investors don't normally think that way. I don't know what founders are "supposed" to think here, but if it were me I'd take the money and find a new baby if I had to.
Re:The Google black hole: What happens to startups when they... by andreyf on Thursday August 14, 2008 @10:51AM (#276143)
I don't know what founders are "supposed" to think here

Founders are supposed to take into consideration their product's role after acquisition when they're talking about getting bought out?

This isn't rocket science - once you sell your company to Google (or whomever), you don't own it anymore. That's why you get all those shiny coins.

Re:The Google black hole: What happens to startups when they... by jlogic77 on Thursday August 14, 2008 @11:25AM (#276182)
I wonder what types of questions the founders are asking of Google pre-aquisition? As a founder, I would think you are concerned with what is Google's "vision" for your product/company. I could also see just the shiny things being enough to make me not worry about the vision.

Also, there are successes. Writely - > Google Docs seemed to be a pretty big success. I'm sure there are others.

Re:The Google black hole: What happens to startups when they... by Timothee on Thursday August 14, 2008 @01:31PM (#276292)
Keyhole -> Google Earth was a big success too.

The thing is that we tend to forget the successes a little bit because they got to merge so well with Google. Looking at the list of acquisitions on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Google_acquisitions), I can only think about Blogger but I have no experience on if it changed for the best. As far as I can tell, it looks like it's still working fine.

Re:The Google black hole: What happens to startups when they... by neilk on Thursday August 14, 2008 @07:45PM (#276591)
Yeah, Writely is a great counterexample. Their vision and Google's vision were really close, so they integrated well into Docs.

And just to show you that technical issues are not the primary problem, they were using Windows/C# but managed to port to Google's Linux/Java-based infrastructure and login system very quickly. (Granted, C# is way closer to Java than PHP).

Re:The Google black hole: What happens to startups when they... by mariorz on Thursday August 14, 2008 @03:36PM (#276408)
Applied Semantics -> AdSense, AdWords
Re:The Google black hole: What happens to startups when they... by andreyf on Thursday August 14, 2008 @10:41AM (#276135)
to rot away under mountains of management and infrastructure/policy hell.

I missed where exactly the article said this. I imagine if you're looking at a Google acquisition and you care about your service, nobody is stopping you from asking "how will this integrate into Google's MapReduce/BigTable? Where will I be in the Google corp. structure? Will I get engineers working with me on my product, or will I be farmed off to other products?" Weigh the answers to this as part of yoru consideration about whether this acquisition is good or not.

I think the founders are more to blame for not understanding what an acquisition by Google involved, not whoever@Google they were dealing with for not spoon-feeding them.

Re:The Google black hole: What happens to startups when they... by josefresco on Thursday August 14, 2008 @04:07PM (#276434)
I'm sure Google promised these founders all sorts of things once their application was assimilated into the borg that is Google. And with lots of money on the table I'm sure the founders grinned and asked where to sign.

Closing your doors to new signups is practically like suicide. As a founder I would never agree to that if I was taking a smaller buyout in exchange for continuing to work on my application as an employee of Goog.

Now if they backed up the money dump truck and sent me on my way I wouldn't care so much (although I'd probably have thousands of users who'd hate me but probably also wouldn't blame me)