Re:The Most Dangerous Censorship
by gentleman11 on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @03:14AM
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Reminds me of criminal records. Time in jail is not the real punishment. You have not really paid your dues in this system. You can never be forgiven, you will pay for whatever crime your whole life without respite by being unhirable and all the other side effects. I forget which hn post made me think about this but itβs bugged me for years now
Do you have the source for the quote of the medieval theologian? It's very interesting.
Apparently it was Isaac of Niveneh, a Middle Eastern Christian theoligian from 7th century: https://afkimel.wordpress.com/2013/03/17/st-isaac-the-syrian...
I think Christ himself pushes this view in a number of fables and sermons, right in the canonical gospels.
Thanks.
> But on the banner on this religion is not Love, but Justice. So, forgiveness is hard to obtain. It takes either converting into a zealot, or hiding in oblivion.
No, it takes saying some words and then going about your day.
> Feeling righteous and rejecting doubt is a powerful and addictive drug :(
Well that explains your post here! ;)
> This whole thing is thoroughly medieval
Actually, Medieval Scholastics had a vibrant discourse from a wide array of sources that would look practically libertarian by comparison to contemporary woke discourse. It sounded way more fun too.
Scholasticists were careful though not to overstep the dogmata and say heresy. Discussing heresies was very much allowed, as long as they were considered heresies and thus wrong by definition.
Different churches at different times and places were more lenient or more strict, but always kept the One True Faith which could be discussed but not put to doubt. At least, this is how it looks to me after some superficial reading about the topic.
But on the banner on this religion is not Love, but Justice. So, forgiveness is hard to obtain. It takes either converting into a zealot, or hiding in oblivion. "If God were to show justice instead of His endless grace, we would all end up in Hell", wrote one medieval theologician.
This whole thing is thoroughly medieval, if you look at it at a certain angle. While declaring that it stands for progress, it rejects the values of the Enlightenment much more deeply than many alt-right philosophers who flaunt this rejection.
If you ever wondered what highly westernized Iran might look like before the revolution, this may provide a glimpse. Feeling righteous and rejecting doubt is a powerful and addictive drug :(