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Re:Andrej Karpathy (Tesla): CVPR 2021 Workshop on Autonomous... by andyxor on Monday June 21, 2021 @05:37PM (#27584851)
besides vision, humans also have this thing called brain, and reasoning, and instincts, and being able to tell if the object in front of them is e.g. a roof of an overturned truck vs. empty space, etc, etc.

the key word is "etc" which expands into infinite tail, which no big data training on farms of GPUs would ever help with.

Humans and other animals have an ability to understand the scene and generalize from prior experiences to infinite set of new and unexpected circumstances, the "common sense" these dumb curve-fitting models are fundamentally lacking.

Re:Andrej Karpathy (Tesla): CVPR 2021 Workshop on Autonomous... by darknavi on Monday June 21, 2021 @05:49PM (#27584973)
> humans also have this thing called brain, and reasoning, and instincts, and being able to tell if the object in front of them is e.g. a roof of an overturned truck vs. empty space, etc, etc.

Assuming the car is reasonably good at this, it has the advantage that it can see in every direction at once.

I don't think self-driving cars will ever be perfect, but I think they will quickly become less-lethal than the average human.

Re:Andrej Karpathy (Tesla): CVPR 2021 Workshop on Autonomous... by kaba0 on Monday June 21, 2021 @06:21PM (#27585306)
For the average case, perhaps. But we are not doing too badly for the average case either.

Let’s see how well does a Tesla react to exceptional cases where actual decision making is required, few data sample is available, etc. Statistics can be misleading with rare events.

Re:Andrej Karpathy (Tesla): CVPR 2021 Workshop on Autonomous... by darknavi on Monday June 21, 2021 @07:42PM (#27586024)
I'd hope they have a "panic" mode that at least "safes" the car.

It's also worth pointing out that humans are notoriously bad at "exceptional cases" sometimes. People full-stop on the freeway for small animals to cross sometimes or panic when adjusting their eyes out of tunnels.

I do think it would be interesting to compare the two (computers vs humans) and look at the venn diagram of crash cases.