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Re:Policies that make the poor less poor by marcus_holmes on Monday June 21, 2021 @05:19AM (#27577549)
But the experiments that have been done support it.

There's this set of objections to UBI based around "yes, ok, it works in the small scale, but it'll never work on a large scale".

If we did a large scale experiment, and it confirms that it works, the objections will move to "sure, OK, but it'll never work on a national level".

So let's just implement it and see if it works. If it doesn't work, we can always just go back to letting people starve.

Re:Policies that make the poor less poor by notahacker on Monday June 21, 2021 @05:44AM (#27577662)
> But the experiments that have been done support it.

They really, really don't. All the experiments on a small scale show is the trivial conclusion that if you give people some central government funds for a year or two, they tend to be slightly less poor at the end. None of them come remotely close to suggesting that people are so much more productive that they can cover the costs of UBI to people already out of the labour force by choice, never mind those that may choose to exit it in future.

Re:Policies that make the poor less poor by MichaelBurge on Monday June 21, 2021 @05:36PM (#27584847)
> If it doesn't work, we can always just go back to letting people starve.

Elderly people already get a UBI in the form of Social Security, and that's politically impossible to cut regardless of whether it's a good or bad idea.

Once you turn it on and people get used to it, you can never turn it off in a democracy.

Re:Policies that make the poor less poor by LunaSea on Monday June 21, 2021 @07:07AM (#27578061)
> If it doesn't work, we can always just go back to letting people starve.

Only if the country still has the ability to change and the economy isn't permanently damaged.

Re:Policies that make the poor less poor by efaref on Monday June 21, 2021 @07:42AM (#27578238)
I think we can always manage to let people starve.
Re:Policies that make the poor less poor by dbsmith83 on Monday June 21, 2021 @10:10AM (#27579325)
Disingenuous argument which completely ignores the ramifications of severe economic downturn on a global stage.