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Re:Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but... by ehnto on Monday June 21, 2021 @04:45AM (#27577394)
From my experience visiting, there were lots of jobs that were "nice to have". Like the man making sure people don't fall in the hole, or the person standing by the carpark exit making sure the way is clear. You could probably do without them, but it's a nice thing to have.

There's lots of examples of that, people doing things that you would see brutally optimized out of western city and those cities I feel are worse off for that optimization.

One way to look at it is that with their wealth they've decided to employ more people and do more good, versus pocketing the profit and calling it efficiency.

The famous railway networks in Japan are actually privatized rail companies which was very surprising to me. When the rail companies privatized in my country they immediately became worse, as they were suddenly serving a very different purpose. Staff were let go, the trains are cleaned less often, services were cut. That kind of thing.

Re:Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but... by selimnairb on Monday June 21, 2021 @10:53AM (#27579750)
Case in point: I saw once an older man washing traffic cones in Japan. I don’t think traffic cones get washed in the US.
Re:Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but... by robocat on Monday June 21, 2021 @01:04PM (#27581100)
I found this patent for “Apparatus for cleaning a traffic cone” : https://patents.google.com/patent/GB2434970A/en

It references other patents (prior and subsequent).

Re:Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but... by akiselev on Monday June 21, 2021 @04:57AM (#27577452)
> From my experience visiting, there were lots of jobs that were "nice to have". Like the man making sure people don't fall in the hole, or the person standing by the carpark exit making sure the way is clear. You could probably do without them, but it's a nice thing to have.

How would liability play out for the construction company in a Japanese court? It's already a low margin competitive industry so passing risk management costs onto customers (the cost of the people monitoring the holes) is likely more practical than risking all profits evaporating and years of litigation, especially if insurance has anything to say about it.

Re:Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but... by ehnto on Monday June 21, 2021 @05:03AM (#27577470)
I don't know the answer to that sorry, you're right to point it out though. Perhaps there is actually some prior court case that defined a liability to make those individuals necessary to be compliant.

In Australia we certainly don't have those people, construction companies just use a few signs, some cones and barricades and that's all that is required to be compliant. If someone falls in the hole they shouldn't have walked past the cones!

Re:Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but... by toomanybeersies on Monday June 21, 2021 @07:04AM (#27578048)
> In Australia we certainly don't have those people

Not the case in Victoria. Pretty normal to see a couple of workers standing near the site entrance making sure pedestrians don't get run over by a truck. Or standing in front of a closed footpath, directing pedestrians to cross the road.

There's pretty strict rules around keeping the public out of construction sites and excavations. Putting a couple of cones around a hole is definitely not all that's required.

Re:Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but... by nsonha on Monday June 21, 2021 @08:56AM (#27578669)
We definitely do, and I'm not against having extra people when it comes to safety. Simply putting on some signs is not enough, what about children?
Re:Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but... by franciscop on Monday June 21, 2021 @11:36AM (#27580197)
How many people? The more people you put (let's say fixing a pothole) the safer it is. Would you put 1 extra? 10? 100? 1000? At what point do you stop?

There's absolutely a limit where adding another person only adds marginal safety. For instance, children who don't know they should not jump to jump a barrier and then go into a pothole should not be allowed alone on the streets. We are not talking about a random hole in the street, these things are already heavily warded in Japan with barriers and signs AND on top of it there's also workers AND on top of it the mentioned security guards. My argument is, many or all of these security guards are not needed.

Re:Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but... by nsonha on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @08:59PM (#27599429)
> children who don't know they should not jump to jump a barrier and then go into a pothole

Here is the thing: there are adults who know all this and they fell into a potholes by accident, or momentary negligence

Re:Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but... by iso1631 on Monday June 21, 2021 @08:58AM (#27578686)
In my country the government used to run the railways, but it had been run down for decades and was at the verge of closing all but the busiest commuter lines into the capital. It was privatized, and since then usage has skyrocketed (well pre covid) to over twice the level pre-privatization, so clearly something's gone well.

The privitization is split into different companies, the best having had a 30 year contract to revitilise their line, and they've done wonders with it, while one of the worst was (pre covid) run to the exact orders of the government

Re:Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but... by mdavis6890 on Monday June 21, 2021 @04:18PM (#27583873)
"versus pocketing the profit and calling it efficiency."

You mean vs allowing those people to spend their time on something that might instead be more productive for society?

If that person is going to spend an hour doing something, is that truly the greatest contribution they can make? Maybe it is! Then again, maybe not.