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Re:Life as a public school teacher in the San Francisco Bay ... by quadrifoliate on Sunday June 20, 2021 @12:19AM (#27567043)
Would someone just starting their career in 2021 in the Chicago area get defined-benefit pension plans? Also, does a new teacher get as much as a new software developer? The $80k/year numbers that I keep seeing thrown around often apply to teachers with 20 or more years of experience, but software developers that level of experience make a lot more.

In my state, older teachers get these, but newer teachers including some of my friends have been cut out of them and need to invest in a 401k like other job. Their wages are also much lower, around 35k/year to start with, peanuts when you consider that they take work home every night and weekend (correcting homework and lesson planning are mostly done on their own time).

Re:Life as a public school teacher in the San Francisco Bay ... by paulddraper on Sunday June 20, 2021 @01:02AM (#27567239)
> teacher

> software developers

Those are very different jobs, with very different skill sets.

I'm not sure how much you can infer about one from the other.

Re:Life as a public school teacher in the San Francisco Bay ... by tptacek on Sunday June 20, 2021 @01:25AM (#27567359)
Nothing, except that nobody reasonable believes that software developers are grossly underpaid.
Re:Life as a public school teacher in the San Francisco Bay ... by quadrifoliate on Sunday June 20, 2021 @03:14AM (#27567871)
> I'm not sure how much you can infer about one from the other.

You can certainly infer how much a largely capitalist society values each skill set at this point in time. The GP is claiming that "suburban Chicago teachers make as much as Chicago-area software developers do", presumably implying that capitalist society in the suburban Chicago area values the labor of teachers and software developers equally.

This is a claim that I want to understand better, since I don't think it reflects the statistical reality. Typically, such claims cherry-pick tenured teachers with 15+ years of experience, and compare their wage with the average software developer wage, which is itself a very unclear number – for example, a lot of developers go on to be managers in 15+ years whereas teachers largely remain teachers.

Glad to be wrong on this though, and might consider moving to an egalitarian society like suburban Chicago.