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Re:U.S. senators propose 25% tax credit for semiconductor ma... by lumost on Saturday June 19, 2021 @02:13PM (#27562862)
There is an interesting corollary here. Given a narrow market and the high capex of such industrial machinery, it doesn't make sense for anyone to build a second machine.

The owner of the machine can effectively charge all customers the marginal cost to build a new machine in perpetuity as a natural monopoly.

Odds are Semi is heading in the same direction where it doesn't make sense to build new fabs except for national security reasons, and whoever controls the massive fab can charge the marginal cost of building a new one to each of their customers indefinitely.

Re:U.S. senators propose 25% tax credit for semiconductor ma... by shkkmo on Saturday June 19, 2021 @02:22PM (#27562956)
> it doesn't make sense for anyone to build a second machine.

Maybe it doesn't make sense for private parties, since it clearly makes sense for nations to not rely of adversaries for their supply chains.

I would also argue that it your ability to rely on a competitor that is critical to your supply chain depends on which laws that prevent anti-competive practices are present in the relevant jurisdictions.

Re:U.S. senators propose 25% tax credit for semiconductor ma... by tomp on Saturday June 19, 2021 @06:23PM (#27565046)
This doesn't make rational sense.

Investments aren't financed by customers, they're financed by investors.

I reckon in today's money-printing world it's easy to get even $1bn if you can credibly say to the investors that you can charge each customer 90% of the full investment (hell, even for 10% it's still a great business!)

Re:U.S. senators propose 25% tax credit for semiconductor ma... by lumost on Saturday June 19, 2021 @07:06PM (#27565364)
In certain cases the requisite machine required can inherently run at a capacity larger than the market would ever require. In the case of new competition the response of the monopoly holder would be to simply discount prices by X% for N years until the new entrant goes bankrupt. In the case of presses, as the Capex was paid ~70 years ago by the incumbent they have an intrinsic financial advantage against an upstart.

It's a bad deal for investors to race to the bottom with an existing market player in a commodity business. It only makes financial sense for customers who dislike the marginal rate or feel there is a security need requiring their own supply chain.

The only way to break out of this would be a technical invention which allowed lower capacity production or technical innovation obviating the need for the monopoly. In the case of an industrial press this is a less likely outcome due to the physics of the machine and the intended application.