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Re:Troubled teens left traumatised by tough love camps by torginus on Saturday June 19, 2021 @09:40AM (#27560381)
I think Ender's Game is the most compassionate protest against this kind of thinking - it is a thought experiment that demonstrates that with the right environment, even the most intelligent can be taught to use their skills in an utilitarian and amoral way - the book ends with Ender becoming the worst mass murderer in the history of the human race, despite representing the moral middle ground between his monstrous brother and his saintly sister. The later books are about him trying to undo the damage he did.

I don' think the author intended the readership to see Battle School as an ideal form of education.

Re:Troubled teens left traumatised by tough love camps by Izkata on Saturday June 19, 2021 @09:58PM (#27566383)
> that demonstrates that with the right environment, even the most intelligent can be taught to use their skills in an utilitarian and amoral way - the book ends with Ender becoming the worst mass murderer in the history of the human race, despite representing the moral middle ground between his monstrous brother and his saintly sister.

Uh, I remember it as Ender having been tricked into it. He thought he was still doing simulations to prove his tactical ability, with how the scenarios kept getting more difficult, and did things he never would have done if he knew it was real.

Re:Troubled teens left traumatised by tough love camps by waterhouse on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @10:41PM (#27600189)
In fact, the ultimate atrocity—destroying a planet (in what he thought was a simulation)—was something he did precisely because he expected to get kicked out of Command School for it (which he was sick of). If I break this rule, they'll never let me be a commander. It would be too dangerous. I'll never have to play a game again. And that is victory.
Re:Troubled teens left traumatised by tough love camps by salawat on Saturday June 19, 2021 @02:52PM (#27563246)
>the book ends with Ender becoming the worst mass murderer in the history of the human race.

You may need to dwell some more, because there's some higher order practical and moral contention there. Guilt over things done in pursuit of survival is the victor's luxury. If you lose, and die anyway you don't have that problem. This is one of the sharp divergences that tends to exist between the soldier and the pacifist. One fights today to repent and atone tomorrow. The other risks destruction, robbing one of a future in which one may possibly avoid making the same mistakes or committing the same atrocities as one's forbearers. In this sense, the weight of being a mass murderer is shared equally by the warrior and the poet. One through action, the other through inaction. No matter the outcome, somebody's hands are covered in blood. Ender did what he was uniquely equipped to do in the moment where it was necessary for him, and those under his guidance to do it. We live not only under our own instrumentality, but under the auspices and obligations to which we are bequeathed by accident of our own existence.

Ender's Game is an exquisite portrait of how the central theme of human existence is suffering. If you live to fight another day, you suffer those fights in the future, and the scars of the past you carry with you. If you acquiesce to destruction, your suffering stops, but the world moves on regardless.

To be human is to struggle and suffer. The trick is coaxing some positivity out of the entire affair while we're around to do so. This applies at all levels of human endeavor. We all struggle against our own adversities perpetuated upon us by the "other". The biggest difference from one bit of suffering and struggle to the next, is how you define the "other".

It's weird, but Ender's Game made a lot more sense after a reading of the Bhagavad Gita. I do not know if Card set out with that intent, but the two mesh with, and complement each other in ways few texts written at different time periods have. There's also good resonance with Martin Heidigger's thoughts on the nature of man being inextricably linked with the act of becoming or Being, the characteristic quality of Dasein. You cannot change your past, you can change the future, but only in as much as the road that has lead you to where you are allows.

The Philosopher is left to wonder if it could have worked out any other way, the Faithful have their answer even if they didn't know it, and even a Free Agent, determined to sail their own way must navigate the waters pushed by the natural forces around them.

Re:Troubled teens left traumatised by tough love camps by int_19h on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @02:45AM (#27588700)
Except it wasn't necessary for him, since the entire war was premised on miscommunication and misunderstanding, which he turned out to be uniquely equipped to resolve... but was instead pushed & tricked into violence.
Re:Troubled teens left traumatised by tough love camps by loopz on Saturday June 19, 2021 @11:23AM (#27561270)
I read it as Ender successfully solved the problems that he were educated and grown into to solve, despite no known solution existing and while having to be creative and improvise in a "no win scenario".

The book is a critique, but more about wether it is good enough to be shaped by society, or how people shapes and make up society. When the latter is nearly non-existent, you end up with results such as in the first book.