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Re:When pop history bombs: a response to Malcolm Gladwell by paulsutter on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @08:45PM (#27535113)
“As I’ve written more books I’ve realised there are certain things that writers and critics prize, and readers don’t. So we’re obsessed with things like coherence, consistency, neatness of argument. Readers are indifferent to those things” - Malcolm Gladwell
Re:When pop history bombs: a response to Malcolm Gladwell by tarsinge on Thursday June 17, 2021 @02:10AM (#27536562)
In other word readers like enjoyable stories. But I think these things are important especially because readers are indifferent to them, otherwise it’s too easy and tempting to slip into fiction, which of course will make the book more enjoyable. Writing fiction marketed as non-fiction is a proven commercial recipe, but it’s dishonest to say the least.
Re:When pop history bombs: a response to Malcolm Gladwell by wrp on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @10:06PM (#27535523)
Excellent quote. Critics say the same thing when explaining the popularity of novels like The Da Vinci Code. I wonder if general readers really don't approach non-fiction any more critically than they approach fiction.
Re:When pop history bombs: a response to Malcolm Gladwell by ashtonkem on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @10:48PM (#27535699)
I’d separate those two. The Da Vinci code is not supposed to represent a factual telling of reality; it’s a fictional novel. You might not like it as a piece of high art, but most of us understand the difference between art and pop literature. Heck, most of us consume and like “guilty pleasure” media, I actually rather enjoyed Angels & Demons by the same author.

Malcolm Gladwell is purporting to communicate factual reality. If he discards good arguments and evidence to entertain, then he is doing a real measurable harm in a way that Dan Brown is not.

Re:When pop history bombs: a response to Malcolm Gladwell by fenomas on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @11:00PM (#27535746)
> The Da Vinci code is not supposed to represent a factual telling of reality

It was published with a preface titled "FACT" claiming that all the secret societies and rituals and documents in the novel were historically accurate. That was the book's whole schtick.

Re:When pop history bombs: a response to Malcolm Gladwell by ashtonkem on Thursday June 17, 2021 @12:51AM (#27536227)
Eh, lots of books use the whole “this is totally the secret history of …” as a gimmick; they’re still sold in the fiction section.
Re:When pop history bombs: a response to Malcolm Gladwell by fenomas on Thursday June 17, 2021 @03:57AM (#27537178)
There was no "..wink, wink" to the da vinci code.

The author specifically claimed that certain parts of the book - he listed exactly which parts - were documented historical truth. Isn't that "purporting to communicate factual reality"?

Re:When pop history bombs: a response to Malcolm Gladwell by ashtonkem on Thursday June 17, 2021 @11:54AM (#27541007)
If some people thought that a fictional book sold as such contained true things, then they are gullible fools likely to fall for anything. I wouldn’t read too much into that.
Re:When pop history bombs: a response to Malcolm Gladwell by fenomas on Friday June 18, 2021 @01:46AM (#27547703)
You're welcome to think so, but that doesn't change the fact that Dan Brown was unambiguously purporting to communicate factual reality.

More so that Gladwell, in fact - I don't think any of Gladwell's books ever had a "the following parts of this book are historical fact" preface! (though a few of them could arguably have used one...)

Re:When pop history bombs: a response to Malcolm Gladwell by zentropia on Thursday June 17, 2021 @01:45AM (#27536423)
But sill, a lot of people there is some kind of truth on them.
Re:When pop history bombs: a response to Malcolm Gladwell by ashtonkem on Thursday June 17, 2021 @11:54AM (#27540998)
Some people are fools.
Re:When pop history bombs: a response to Malcolm Gladwell by guerrilla on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @10:36PM (#27535659)
Why would they? This person is claiming to be a metaexpert relaying what experts are saying. If somone doesn't have research skills or even know the structure of academia then they're probably very used to having to trust people. I'm wondering if they even have the skills to check anything if they wanted to: somone tried to support a bullshit etymology for an Arabic word by citing some pseudoscience website to me. That to them is just as credible as wiktionary or anything else.
Re:When pop history bombs: a response to Malcolm Gladwell by montagg on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @10:48PM (#27535701)
Very few people have figured out how to square this circle.

And those that do often live long enough to see themselves become the pop-villain.