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Re:Pacific islanders likely found Antarctica first: study by xwdv on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @10:09PM (#27524112)
Hard to imagine what motivated them to keep sailing all that way with no guarantee they would find anything.
Re:Pacific islanders likely found Antarctica first: study by i386 on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @10:31PM (#27524228)
But they did. They used a lot of different indication for where islands were - bird migration, ocean currents, etc.
Re:Pacific islanders likely found Antarctica first: study by pchristensen on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @12:02AM (#27524772)
They had already come a very, very long was from Asia to Australia, Fiji, Tonga, Samoa, French Polynesia, Hawaii, etc. Finding land in an impossibly vast ocean was kind of their jam.
Re:Pacific islanders likely found Antarctica first: study by ch4s3 on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @10:13PM (#27524125)
Hitting the population limit of your island, and strong cultural norms around exploration.
Re:Pacific islanders likely found Antarctica first: study by contingencies on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @12:16AM (#27524844)
If you see birds come from that direction, or tides come from that direction with flotsam, then you can bet there is land. Within certain range, if you see specific clouds or tones on the horizon, you can also imply land. Also, if you head that way the Americas are kind of hard to miss.
Re:Pacific islanders likely found Antarctica first: study by rorykoehler on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @03:01AM (#27525690)
How do we know they didn't know they would find anything? There is lots of evidence that we have lost perspectives on how to analyse our environment as we have gained new ones through technology.
Re:Pacific islanders likely found Antarctica first: study by lordnacho on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @01:58AM (#27525354)
I think the article alludes to it. First sons world inherit everything so little brother would have to sail out to find new land.
Re:Pacific islanders likely found Antarctica first: study by Ranebow6 on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @10:29PM (#27524216)
You could say that about almost any explorer ever.
Re:Pacific islanders likely found Antarctica first: study by fighterpilot on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @10:55PM (#27524374)
But modern explorers don't expect death if the "nothing" situation comes to pass. These were people that staked their life.
Re:Pacific islanders likely found Antarctica first: study by pchristensen on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @12:03AM (#27524784)
They brought food, they captured water from rain and condensation, and they could fish. Yes it was risky but they had a lot of runway due to their expertise on the water.
Re:Pacific islanders likely found Antarctica first: study by throwaway0a5e on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @10:22AM (#27528799)
Modern explorers also can be reasonably assured there will be enough food to go around next year or the year after if they stay home.
Re:Pacific islanders likely found Antarctica first: study by Ranebow6 on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @12:02AM (#27524773)
Well modern explorers have the benefit of always knowing that there is a "something", but probably still understand that there is risk in what they are doing. Historically though, plenty of explorers from many different cultures travelled to where there was potentially "nothing". Why would Pacific Island cultures be any different?
Re:Pacific islanders likely found Antarctica first: study by p1necone on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @02:27AM (#27525486)
Curiosity is a very powerful thing.
Re:Pacific islanders likely found Antarctica first: study by testfoobar on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @11:02PM (#27524425)
Testosterone.
Re:Pacific islanders likely found Antarctica first: study by robocat on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @02:01AM (#27525371)
Men and women travelled on the canoes together. Colonisation of islands is difficult if you only have guys eh?

Certainly oral legend of the Māori is mixed crews e.g. “According to some accounts, Horouta was the first waka [=canoe] to make landfall in this region. The captain of the Horouta was Pawa, the navigator was Kiwa. It carried a large crew of men, women and children – as well as a dog named Whakao, belonging to Pawa.”

Re:Pacific islanders likely found Antarctica first: study by anonporridge on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @02:30AM (#27525503)
Having women and children on board isn't necessarily incompatible with the idea that the drive for the insanely risky exploration was fueled by testosterone.
Re:Pacific islanders likely found Antarctica first: study by mc32 on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @11:20PM (#27524526)
So these days with so many artificial ingredients and ultra processed foods and sedentary habits leading to decreased testosterone these journeys might not have taken place had they had our modern diets [and as child comment adds, lifestyle]?
Re:Pacific islanders likely found Antarctica first: study by axaxs on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @11:30PM (#27524573)
I'm far from a scientist, but in my observations and reading, lifestyle has a far bigger impact than diet. Hard work boosts testosterone, there was even a study done showing how much it was boosted during chopping wood, for example. Modern folks are sedentary and often overweight, both of which contribute to lower testosterone, likely moreso than diet ever could.

Men today are observably less 'manly' than in the past. But we seem to try to find someone or something to blame other than ourselves.

Re:Pacific islanders likely found Antarctica first: study by nradov on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @12:10AM (#27524817)
It seems that phthalates (plastic softeners) are also reducing testosterone.

https://doi.org/10.1093/humrep/dev225

Re:Pacific islanders likely found Antarctica first: study by bobthepanda on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @02:30AM (#27525502)
A bit of A, a bit of B.

The modern diet is also very processed and refined. White bread and white rice were not available for mass consumption until industrialization.

Japan's navy solved an issue with beriberi disease after changing the rations from white rice to barley. https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/rice-disease-mystery-e...

Re:Pacific islanders likely found Antarctica first: study by mythrwy on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @11:48PM (#27524694)
Maybe also selection pressure (which has largely been removed). The men _who_survived_ were more manly in the past.
Re:Pacific islanders likely found Antarctica first: study by axaxs on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @11:59PM (#27524751)
Perhaps, but I think we can drill down a bit further.

Many third world countries have foods much, much more processed than we do in USA, yet they don't exhibit such effects generally.

My own family is a huge old Irish/German conglomeration...I have 12 uncles and aunts. There's very clear demarcation of millenials vs the older ones, and especially those raised in a rural setting vs urban.

I'd honestly like to see studies of how many, let's say 'metro' men spent summers bucking hay or stripping tobacco as a kid. I did, but I'm clearly less grizzled than my cousins who did such work year round as a kid.

And I don't mean any of this to be insulting. I'm way less manly than my own father, and a millennial who spent childhood glued to screens.

Re:Pacific islanders likely found Antarctica first: study by tsimionescu on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @02:33AM (#27525517)
Why do you describe something like bucking hay or stripling tabacco as 'manly' when it was a common activity for women as well in traditional society?
Re:Pacific islanders likely found Antarctica first: study by axaxs on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @09:13AM (#27528129)
I don't. I just mentioned them because they are very common labor intensive summer jobs where I grew up. Replace with whatever your local variant would be.
Re:Pacific islanders likely found Antarctica first: study by polishdude20 on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @01:19AM (#27525153)
Problem is that unless you've actually got symptoms of low testosterone, it's not a big issue. Low T being the cause of men's problems today is a myth.