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Re:Europe's Software Problem by 6f8986c3 on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @09:09PM (#27523738)
> You remain a foreigner, who should still work for less pay than those who grew up locally and went to an ivy league school, even though you have the same credentials and graduated at a top school in Europe (in my case, I have an ivy league degree on top of that).

Bingo. There's a set of something like ten schools from which Silicon Valley companies hire.

If you're not from one of those, you will be cordially invited to eat shit.

Re:Europe's Software Problem by jdc0589 on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @11:35PM (#27524601)
May be true for hiring for entry level roles in same cases, but it is certainly untrue when you are hiring for positions with more than a couple years experience. I have literally never looked at anyone's college credentials unless I'm interviewing for an entry level role. I do not know, or care, where any of my coworkers went to school and I don't know anyone who does.

To be fair, we aren't a SV startup, but we've always had an equal engineering presence there (probably 120 engineers there now vs maybe 30 in 2018).

Re:Europe's Software Problem by disgruntledphd2 on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @07:17AM (#27527197)
In my experience, at the FAANG I worked at, there was definitely an "approved" schools list for US candidates.

It completely blew my mind, to be honest (and I do see similar weirdnesses in the way US colleagues review CV's, so I don't think it's only a FAANG thing).

Re:Europe's Software Problem by b20000 on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @12:22AM (#27524876)
I'm in my 40s and have an ivy league degree from the bay area. I still get discriminated, and I have multiple succesfull products in the market and I'm a semi-celebrity in my niche. And I am still discriminated against.
Re:Europe's Software Problem by stadium on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @09:17PM (#27523808)
I might be an outlier but I went to a tiny middle America liberal arts university that you probably never heard of, and work for a SV startup. And I haven't heard the topic of where people went to school come up a single time.
Re:Europe's Software Problem by ambicapter on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @09:53PM (#27524017)
You work for a Silicon Valley startup, but the above posters are mostly talking about people who run one.
Re:Europe's Software Problem by stadium on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @03:07AM (#27525715)
> There's a set of something like ten schools from which Silicon Valley companies hire.

I responded to GP's comment about hiring. Ivy-like pedigree surely helps for any career path, but that's no different for SV or anywhere else.

Re:Europe's Software Problem by b20000 on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @12:23AM (#27524883)
But you grew up in the US. You are not a "foreigner".
Re:Europe's Software Problem by stadium on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @03:36AM (#27525909)
Even if that's true (it is), I have almost never had a meaningful conversation with a coworker about where we got our degrees from. Maybe that's because the conversation usually stops after I share my no-name institution. And in my current role I don't remember degree pedigree coming up once in any conversation.

If there's any lesson to learn from this thread I guess it's that no amount or level of credentials can overcome cultural biases, racism, and discrimination.