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Re:Irish police to be given powers over passwords by TrueGeek on Monday June 14, 2021 @10:43AM (#27503142)
From the article:

> "Irish police will have the power to compel people to provide passwords for electronic devices when carrying out a search warrant under new legislation."

This is not unique to Ireland, we see this here in the US as well.

Re:Irish police to be given powers over passwords by jhauris on Monday June 14, 2021 @11:05AM (#27503437)
This is something that varies state to state. Quick search shows that Pennsylvania considers giving up a password as self-incriminating testimony (protected by the 5th amendment), while Massachusetts does not. They can generally force you to use biometrics to unlock or give them a physical key anywhere, however.

This seems to be an actively developing area of law around the world.

Re:Irish police to be given powers over passwords by vmception on Monday June 14, 2021 @11:27AM (#27503737)
Hold power button on iphone and it disables biometric without turning off the device

They might still have a way to image it though, depends on the day as the imaging software always gets thwarted

Re:Irish police to be given powers over passwords by vmception on Monday June 14, 2021 @10:48PM (#27510734)
Power+volume whoops

Also believe it depends on the model but the 12 pro does it like this and a few models before

Re:Irish police to be given powers over passwords by aaron-santos on Monday June 14, 2021 @12:17PM (#27504442)
On the subject of the fifth amendment, there was a (possibly) non-serious theory that having one's password be the admission of guilt to a crime would serve as protection as revealing the password would actual be self-incriminating. Like most legal theories on the internet, it (probably) isn't true.
Re:Irish police to be given powers over passwords by hwbehrens on Monday June 14, 2021 @10:56AM (#27503331)
> [...] we see this here in the US as well.

This is only true when the revealed information is a "foregone conclusion", specifically when it "adds little or nothing to the sum total of the Government’s information."

Here is a good treatment on the subject: https://harvardlawreview.org/2021/04/state-v-andrews/

Re:Irish police to be given powers over passwords by kingsloi on Monday June 14, 2021 @10:53AM (#27503293)
I'll likely already know the answer (jail time?), but what if you were to "forget"?

I have some long passwords that I keep out of password managers for private stuff that I don't want to be leaked from a password manager leak or w/e. I can remember them, but had a really hard time remembering even the start of most of them after not using them for a few weeks.

Re:Irish police to be given powers over passwords by jagger27 on Monday June 14, 2021 @10:57AM (#27503352)
There have been times that I’ve had to close my eyes and completely rely on muscle memory to enter a long password. Last time it happened was after a 2 week vacation.

That kind of timeframe isn’t abnormal for the speed of law.

Re:Irish police to be given powers over passwords by spentu on Monday June 14, 2021 @11:40AM (#27503918)
This happens to me a lot. I need to have access to keyboard for being able to type some older password. Same thing with pin codes.. Funny how brain works.
Re:Irish police to be given powers over passwords by tediousdemise on Monday June 14, 2021 @11:21AM (#27503652)
Impressive! After all these years I still need to look at the keyboard.
Re:Irish police to be given powers over passwords by jagger27 on Monday June 14, 2021 @11:23AM (#27503678)
I find it somewhat disconcerting that my fingers remember my passwords better than my brain does!
Re:Irish police to be given powers over passwords by dkersten on Monday June 14, 2021 @11:49AM (#27504041)
Muscle memory still happens in the brain. A better description might be unconscious memory. I believe the proper term is "procedural memory". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procedural_memory