Re:Animal testing is exploitative and largely ineffective
by eigenket on Sunday June 13, 2021 @02:44PM
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The two situations aren't really comparable without more information. Clearly the people in A are still eating a craptonne of plants, and also have access to much more land per person than B, since they can afford to have a lot dedicated to very unproductive pasture.
Re:Animal testing is exploitative and largely ineffective
by ummonk on Sunday June 13, 2021 @03:09PM
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Yeah, it's hard to compare and the greater yields of crops certainly bodes well for A.
Though the productivity differences aren't as large as one would think - protein conversion ratios for smaller animals tend to be 2-3. It's worse for beef (~10) but you have to consider that half the cows are creating milk which has a high protein conversion ratio. And it's potentially even better for animals when you consider the quality of protein - e.g. see https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/jsfa.8362
Re:Animal testing is exploitative and largely ineffective
by thaumasiotes on Sunday June 13, 2021 @03:14PM
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> It's worse for beef (~10) but you have to consider that half the cows are creating milk which has a high protein conversion ratio.
Half?
Re:Animal testing is exploitative and largely ineffective
by skak on Sunday June 13, 2021 @04:31PM
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Only female cows produce milk.
Re:Animal testing is exploitative and largely ineffective
by thaumasiotes on Sunday June 13, 2021 @11:55PM
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Where do you get "half" from that? Female cows are economically productive and males are not. The ratio is not even close to half-and-half. Go look at a herd of cows sometime.
Re:Animal testing is exploitative and largely ineffective
by aflag on Sunday June 13, 2021 @05:38PM
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All cows are female.
Re:Animal testing is exploitative and largely ineffective
by ummonk on Sunday June 13, 2021 @07:38PM
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In common parlance (rather than technical terminology), "cows" means "cattle".
Re:Animal testing is exploitative and largely ineffective
by thaumasiotes on Sunday June 13, 2021 @11:54PM
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Almost all cattle are female. aflag doesn't get less accurate if you interpret "cows" as the species term that it is.
Re:Animal testing is exploitative and largely ineffective
by xkcd-sucks on Sunday June 13, 2021 @04:04PM
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Pastoral societies usually inhabit ecosystems that don't support human-edible crops
A) humane open pastures where animals grow to middle age before being killed for food, resulting in expensive meat
B) pure agriculture where land is cleared and irrigated for agricultural produce, completely devoid of animal life
I would argue that society A would be better for animals than society B.