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Re:Few people know that Google voluntarily removes some sear... by dkokelley on Friday June 11, 2021 @05:07PM (#27478499)
Another thought experiment:

What would happen if someone encoded something horrible and illegal like child porn into a blockchain? Is everyone who operates on that chain guilty of possession? Does that make a specific crypto "illegal" if its blockchain contains illegal content?

Re:Few people know that Google voluntarily removes some sear... by tick_tock_tick on Friday June 11, 2021 @06:37PM (#27479357)
People already added it into bitcoin if you stretch the definition a bit. As in the bits needed to reconstruct the image exist in the chain.
Re:Few people know that Google voluntarily removes some sear... by sneak on Friday June 11, 2021 @07:50PM (#27479918)
> People already added it into bitcoin if you stretch the definition a bit.

Which is a fancy way of saying that they haven't. The only images in the bitcoin blockchain are ascii art.

There are plenty of hashes of different types of data in the bitcoin blockchain, but hashes are not the hash function's input data.

Schneier himself repeated this bogus "there's illegal content in the bitcoin blockchain already!" claim, which shows the legs this false meme has on it.

Please stop repeating this falsehood.

Re:Few people know that Google voluntarily removes some sear... by dkokelley on Friday June 11, 2021 @09:09PM (#27480415)
I agree that a hash of data != the source data, but these links seem to indicate that it is at least possible, if not already evident, that illegal images and content can be encoded into the bitcoin blockchain (and presumably other blockchains that permit similar writing to the ledger)

JPG of Nelson Mandela encoded into bitcoin blockchain: http://www.righto.com/2014/02/ascii-bernanke-wikileaks-photo...

Illegal porn and classified documents embedded in the blockchain (page 3): https://www.accenture.com/_acnmedia/pdf-33/accenture-editing...

Original research source: https://fc18.ifca.ai/preproceedings/6.pdf

Re:Few people know that Google voluntarily removes some sear... by userbinator on Saturday June 12, 2021 @12:31AM (#27481552)
The data may may have been encrypted with a key that only some people know, and to others it's just random noise.

By that definition, however, every file could be transformed into an illegal one through a suitable cipher and key.

Then there's the concept of steganography.

Digital data is interesting for sure.

Re:Few people know that Google voluntarily removes some sear... by dkokelley on Friday June 11, 2021 @07:03PM (#27479561)
Really? That’s very sad, but I’m not too surprised.

(Unless you’re saying that the bits 0 and 1 already exist in the blockchain, which is reaaaaallllyyy stretching the definition.)

There’s the concept of “illegal numbers”, which means that there are technically numeric representations of images or copyrighted material that you can’t know/possess without breaking a law. But the law is subjective which is why we have judges and juries to apply judgement to whether having a large number written on a piece of paper is equivalent to possessing illegal material.

Re:Few people know that Google voluntarily removes some sear... by lostmsu on Friday June 11, 2021 @05:31PM (#27478755)
If you extend it wide enough, one should ban natural numbers because some of them in binary form are identical to child pornography video files.
Re:Few people know that Google voluntarily removes some sear... by dkokelley on Friday June 11, 2021 @07:04PM (#27479568)
Take a look at “illegal numbers” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_number

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There’s the concept of “illegal numbers”, which means that there are technically numeric representations of images or copyrighted material that you can’t know/possess without breaking a law. But the law is subjective which is why we have judges and juries to apply judgement to whether having a large number written on a piece of paper is equivalent to possessions illegal material.

Re:Few people know that Google voluntarily removes some sear... by dorgo on Saturday June 12, 2021 @06:06AM (#27483246)
And don't forget random number generators. They are just evil sometimes.
Re:Few people know that Google voluntarily removes some sear... by ntauthority on Saturday June 12, 2021 @07:12AM (#27483619)
It is amazing that the output of a random number generator can be considered a core part of a DMCA-style 'illegal to work around' anti-circumvention solution.