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Re:Fewer young men are in the labor force, more are living a... by usrusr on Friday June 11, 2021 @04:23PM (#27477992)
I know someone who used to fit that description quite well and then apparently made it out at some point between 35 and 40. Seems like there is always room for a surprise improvement left.
Re:Fewer young men are in the labor force, more are living a... by emerged on Friday June 11, 2021 @05:09PM (#27478530)
It’s like drug or alcohol addiction. People can become somewhat “born again” usually after some kind of catastrophe and/or “rock bottom” moment. Parents allowing this from their adult children are akin to addict enablers.
Re:Fewer young men are in the labor force, more are living a... by quickthrowman on Friday June 11, 2021 @07:13PM (#27479631)
Hey, stop doxxing me! Just kidding, but this post accurately describes my 20s and early 30s.

I’ve been ‘born again’ twice, once after opiate addiction and once after alcohol. I had an adult parent enabling me throughout as well. Two rock bottom moments, after the first I decided to disregard the advice I was given, and it didn’t take. The second time, I was humbled and did the work by heeding the advice I was given again. Sober house and outpatient after the inpatient stay, getting a job after outpatient, going to meetings for a year, and staying sober.

Almost 6 years later, I went from making $10/hr part time to a salaried position making low six figures in total compensation. I have a much healthier relationship with my adult enabler parent and have paid back a substantial amount of the money I guilted them out of over the years. My relationships with family have never been better, I have a great partner, and a job I enjoy. It is possible to escape, but sometimes does require a rock bottom moment.

I also spent a considerable amount of time escaping into games and TV shows, there’s a lot of overlap there with drug addiction, escapism, gambling/day trading, etc.

Re:Fewer young men are in the labor force, more are living a... by aidenn0 on Saturday June 12, 2021 @12:57AM (#27481659)
> ’ve been ‘born again’ twice, once after opiate addiction and once after alcohol. I had an adult parent enabling me throughout as well

As a parent of 4 kids who for various reasons are all at elevated risk for substance abuse, what can I do if/when this happens to one of my kids to not enable them?

Re:Fewer young men are in the labor force, more are living a... by daddylongstroke on Monday June 14, 2021 @09:03AM (#27502021)
Say "no". Draw very distinct lines and limits and stick to your guns. Don't undermine your partner during disciplining. Don't get divorced.
Re:Fewer young men are in the labor force, more are living a... by UncleOxidant on Friday June 11, 2021 @04:27PM (#27478044)
Yeah, well, maybe. But currently they don't seem to have any motivation which is a prerequisite to improvement. I think their parents should provide that motivation by being a good bit tougher on them. They sometimes try this, but then go soft on them again after not very long.
Re:Fewer young men are in the labor force, more are living a... by toomuchtodo on Friday June 11, 2021 @05:02PM (#27478452)
If I may be so bold, I would encourage you to have a frank discussion around estate planning with their parents to best insulate them from pain in the future. I would recommend the home be put into a trust, a trustee appointed for the trust after parents’ deaths, and enough investments set aside to cover property taxes and maintenance on the property with investment income until death of the children. What happens to the estate after that is a family discussion.

I have seen the results of not doing this. Don’t pass the pain down. You want your children to succeed, but you also don’t want them to suffer needlessly. Being homeless is an incredibly difficult gravity well to escape, more so without appreciable skills.

(not an attorney or financial planner, not your attorney or financial planner, please consult one of each, educational purposes only)

Re:Fewer young men are in the labor force, more are living a... by gowld on Friday June 11, 2021 @08:17PM (#27480085)
Alternatively, donate the estate to nonprofits that work to help people get jobs and learn self-care.
Re:Fewer young men are in the labor force, more are living a... by troupe on Friday June 11, 2021 @04:51PM (#27478316)
Was there a change in circumstances that prompted the shift you describe?