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Re:Wildland – open data management protocol by mdaniel on Friday June 11, 2021 @10:48AM (#27474137)
Apart from just "blockchhain", does anyone have context on what this means and/or what problem it's solving?

> Part of each payment will be converted into GLM to generate a Proof-of-Usage token that will give you certain decision rights within Wildland’s unique governance system.

I found this while researching if GLM was their own token, and it actually appears that it isn't their own token, but it's possible Wildland was created to show off GLM: https://old.reddit.com/r/GolemProject/comments/i4qwng/wildla...

Related to that, this is a lot less marketing-speak than their website: https://old.reddit.com/r/GolemProject/comments/nxfufh/golem_... but I still don't follow the relationship of "payment" to "decision rights" or "governance"

Re:Wildland – open data management protocol by wlodekg on Friday June 11, 2021 @04:04PM (#27477786)
The relationship is explained in detail in the Wildland paper -https://golem.foundation/resources/documents/wildland-w2h.pd...

There's also a talk on this very subject available at https://vimeo.com/473452625

Re:Wildland – open data management protocol by mdaniel on Friday June 11, 2021 @04:32PM (#27478107)
Great, thank you for those resources

For followers on, the answer is in section 3.3.2 of the whitepaper (currently page 31) and boils down to:

> A very important feature of the PoU token is that it is designed to not become a speculative crypto asset. As it is permanently locked with the user’s public key, it cannot be transferred and hence traded. While we envision delegation of voting power along the lines of liquid democracy principles, this delegation can always be revoked by the user

so the PoU tokens granted back to the user is actually not related to the monetary relationship between the user and Wildland, but is a side-effect of merely participating in the experiment. Those tokens appear to grant the user voting rights on the product roadmap of Wildland, although it's not obvious how one would "spend" those PoU tokens given that they can't be transferred back to Wildland in order to buy a feature

They talk about it in terms of voting based on the accumulation of PoU, which I think understand, but if Jeff Bezos got to vote 54B times for President and did not have to _spend_ any one of those 54B assets to do so, the country will perpetually do whatever Jeff wants without any real risk of overtaking that king of the hill status

Re:Wildland – open data management protocol by Agnolo_Giotto on Friday June 11, 2021 @01:18PM (#27476018)
From the practical introduction, it says, "Wildland is a collection of protocols, conventions, software, and (soon) a marketplace for leasing storage and in the future compute infrastructure. All these pieces work together with one goal in mind: to decouple the user's data from the underlying infrastructure."

This would seem to make a user not dependent on any one platform to hold their data. So it improves data availability, platform lock-in risk and some censorship-resistance.

Re:Wildland – open data management protocol by mdaniel on Friday June 11, 2021 @04:21PM (#27477967)
Thank you for your reply

So, I pay Wildland USD$100, they spend USD$80 on Google Cloud to provide some "s3" storage, possibly instances or cloud function execution or whatever, and then they give me back GLM$20(??) because ... they want GLM to flourish?

If "a user [were] not dependent upon any one platform," then why would anyone pay Wildland to be in their alleged marketplace? Why wouldn't I buy GLM on coinbase (or wherever folks do that kind of thing, since AIUI PoU means I can't mine them) and then save myself the hassle of paying Wildland for only some percentage of GLM refunded to me?

And all of this talk about our brave new semantic d-web 3.0 future, but until Google Photos or my insurance company lets me "grant" them access to my photos or medical documents or whatever, it's just college dorm talk, IMHO -- who is the target audience for this webpage?

Re:Wildland – open data management protocol by viraptor on Friday June 11, 2021 @06:17PM (#27479166)
Have a look at https://wildland.io/2021/06/11/introducing-client-v0.1.html and examples which talk a bit more about the client usage. GLM seems to be a completely optional add-on feature, not something wildland is based on.
Re:Wildland – open data management protocol by satanstornade on Saturday June 12, 2021 @05:47AM (#27483134)
The client they released yesterday has no built in payment mechanism, and the site says explicitly that "If you have access to a suitable infrastructure you can use [Wildland] for free".