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Re:U.S. Postal Service releases dog attack national rankings by antisthenes on Thursday June 10, 2021 @05:53PM (#27466296)
> Pseudoscience masquerading as science. Something bad masquerading as something good.

If a certain breed of dog is responsible for more attacks than any other breed, then breed-specific legislation is not pseudoscience.

Re:U.S. Postal Service releases dog attack national rankings by willis936 on Thursday June 10, 2021 @06:21PM (#27466585)
Yes it is. This is the very crux of the issue. Simply showing a correlation is not demonstrating that behavior is linked to breed. Show a single study that even attempts to prove dog nature is linked to breed. You'll find that actual science finds the opposite.
Re:U.S. Postal Service releases dog attack national rankings by spywaregorilla on Thursday June 10, 2021 @09:45PM (#27468433)
Sheep dogs like to herd. Retrievers like to retrieve. Covering your ears and saying lalalala doesn't allow you to claim correlations are immune to causality.
Re:U.S. Postal Service releases dog attack national rankings by willis936 on Thursday June 10, 2021 @10:12PM (#27468586)
What makes you say sheep dogs like to herd? Because that is what they do? If you trained a retriever to herd sheep and a sheep dog to retrieve, would the dogs not do those things? What would the dogs do if they were never socialized? Are you even considering these questions, or are you covering your ears and accepting the not-science dogma you've heard your entire life?
Re:U.S. Postal Service releases dog attack national rankings by antisthenes on Thursday June 10, 2021 @10:28PM (#27468677)
> What would the dogs do if they were never socialized?

Funny you should ask. I own a herding breed right now.

1. Socialization has really no impact on what a dog is bred to do or what it has an aptitude to do. Socialization mainly teaches dogs how to read "dog cues" and how to fit into the dog world. That is - to understand when another dog does or does not want to play, who the dominant one is, what the polite greetings are, etc.

2. My breed does certain things that are unique to the breed, and exhibits behaviors unique to the breed. She was not trained to do so. She lays prone on the outskirts of the field, anticipating a command from a human to move the stock in a given direction. She does this, despite never seeing a sheep/cow in her existence, nor being trained for herding in any way.

Whenever I see dogs of this breed at a dog park, they exhibit the exact same behaviors, down to the posture and eye focus.

The more I read your comments in this thread, the more I realize how little you actually know about dogs, nor did you actually read my comment before labeling it pseudoscience.

Partly, what I meant was that the causation is also irrelevant - if 1 breed is responsible for most attacks, and there is legislation against it that solves the issue - that doesn't mean anyone has been discriminated against. It just means there's going to be less attacks in the future.

Re:U.S. Postal Service releases dog attack national rankings by spywaregorilla on Friday June 11, 2021 @08:02AM (#27472152)
> What makes you say sheep dogs like to herd?

Because they do. That's what they were bred for. This has nothing to do with human race analogies. Dog breeds influence behavioral traits heavily. I'm not convinced you know anything about dogs.

Re:U.S. Postal Service releases dog attack national rankings by padastra on Thursday June 10, 2021 @11:14PM (#27468893)
Have you ever, in your life, considered that you may sometimes be wrong?