Re:Jeff Bezos Claimed $4k in Tax Credits for His Children
by bcx on Thursday June 10, 2021 @07:40PM
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It seems like this is more of a critique on the tax-code than anything else. By not realizing any gains, and taking a small salary it seems like an exception to the tax code wasn't meant to handle. I think we can all agree that the tax code if full of cruft, and could use some refactoring.
Additionally, I would wager any amount of money that Bezos outsources his taxes to professionals. So his name is only used for click bait.
I also am confident Bezos paid sales tax, property tax, and other taxes during this period.
So if we as a society are not happy with our federal income tax code, we should revise it. (Wouldn't it be amazing if it worked more like an opensource project, where we could git blame and do some root cause analysis)
Re:Jeff Bezos Claimed $4k in Tax Credits for His Children
by zeroimpl on Thursday June 10, 2021 @06:20PM
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Most tax software will automatically claim all such credits like this. Somebody would probably have to go out of their way to opt out of receiving the credit.
Re:Jeff Bezos Claimed $4k in Tax Credits for His Children
by haskellandchill on Thursday June 10, 2021 @04:35PM
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Sure, many are just doing their job. At some point we all have to say enough, from the billionaires to the accountants to the government to the people at the bottom, we are all responsible for what is happening.
Re:Jeff Bezos Claimed $4k in Tax Credits for His Children
by yongjik on Thursday June 10, 2021 @05:11PM
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I think the article has merit but the title is pure clickbait.
Whether Jeff Bezos takes $4k tax credit from Uncle Sam or not is literally a rounding error on both sides. But I guess that drives clicks.
Re:Jeff Bezos Claimed $4k in Tax Credits for His Children
by yongjik on Thursday June 10, 2021 @06:23PM
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If the principle is "Tax level should consider both income and wealth", which I agree with, then we should look at what's a reasonable level of taxation for billionaires with no taxable income, not get hung up on child credits.
If the principle is "Things like child tax credits should have a special limitation against billionaires", then I disagree with it, well, on principle. Tax system should be simple, not complicated. Having a complicated tax system is what benefits unscrupulous billionaires because then nobody can figure out exactly what they're paying and what they should be paying. Also, maybe it's just me, but the argument sounds disturbingly similar to "People buying latest iPhones don't deserve welfare checks!" - just in the other direction.
Re:Jeff Bezos Claimed $4k in Tax Credits for His Children
by nikolay on Friday June 11, 2021 @01:45PM
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The tax code should be much simpler than it is. Instead of call this crazy schemes, the tax rate should be lower and flat a la sales tax. Your revenue/income is X, you pay 10% of X without allowing any deductions. This will bring a lot more money in taxes, make taxation simpler and fairer. Also, with the recent COVID-19 stimulus - how can the income brackets be the same in metro areas with vastly different cost of living? Trying to be "fair", often government create new types of unfairness.
Re:Jeff Bezos Claimed $4k in Tax Credits for His Children
by mytailorisrich on Thursday June 10, 2021 @04:46PM
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The issue here is that these benefits (here tax credits for children) often only take the person's cash income over the year. In general cash in the bank or liquid assets are not taken into account, which I'm guessing is why Bezos qualified: if you have millions in the bank but zero cash income in a given year then suddenly you qualify for many benefits.
Re:Jeff Bezos Claimed $4k in Tax Credits for His Children
by hallway_monitor on Thursday June 10, 2021 @07:48PM
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I don't need a wealth tax. I don't need the government to create and exact one. So, no, "We" don't need a wealth tax. It doesn't seem like an elegant solution. I do think the ultra-rich can pay slightly more taxes but IMO this is not the way to go about it; instead, close loopholes etc.
Additionally, I would wager any amount of money that Bezos outsources his taxes to professionals. So his name is only used for click bait.
I also am confident Bezos paid sales tax, property tax, and other taxes during this period.
So if we as a society are not happy with our federal income tax code, we should revise it. (Wouldn't it be amazing if it worked more like an opensource project, where we could git blame and do some root cause analysis)
However, in this case, does Bezos do his own taxes or pay someone and say "optimize my taxes" and they do their job?
If the principle is "Things like child tax credits should have a special limitation against billionaires", then I disagree with it, well, on principle. Tax system should be simple, not complicated. Having a complicated tax system is what benefits unscrupulous billionaires because then nobody can figure out exactly what they're paying and what they should be paying. Also, maybe it's just me, but the argument sounds disturbingly similar to "People buying latest iPhones don't deserve welfare checks!" - just in the other direction.
Either you’re making several leaps of faith about how much good that money would do, or you just hate anybody that has something you don’t.
But... I will admit that it could make more sense to pay the government for protection of property, than personal productivity.
We can't even appraise homes fairly, for middle class folks that can afford them. How are we going to evaluate the wealth of billionaires?
- first every owner self-values their assets at $V and pays X% of $V
- then an interested buyer bonds $W>$V earnest money
- then the owner pays Y% of $(W-V) or the buyer gets it for $W plus tax of Z%
Rates around 1% could replace all other taxes in this scheme. Do I think it’s a good idea? I don’t know. Recipe for bureaucrat moral hazard.