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Re:The work-from-home future is destroying bosses' brains by JKCalhoun on Thursday June 10, 2021 @02:54PM (#27464177)
> If you're a manager, how do you tell if your team is spending 50% of the time slacking vs. working....

It's sort of strange that we even take this point of view: that somehow human output is to be measured in the way a machine's output is measured or the efficiency of a light bulb.

But that opens up a whole can of worms....

Re:The work-from-home future is destroying bosses' brains by aeternum on Thursday June 10, 2021 @03:14PM (#27464427)
Agreed, a team that spends 50% of the day staring out the window may actually be thinking and come up with a solution that beats another team. Output/results are ultimately what matter and since we all have finite lifetimes, results per unit time is also quite important.

But isn't competition ultimately the only yardstick by which we can measure this?

Re:The work-from-home future is destroying bosses' brains by milansm on Thursday June 10, 2021 @06:26PM (#27466643)
One of my most experienced and respected colleagues likes to say: “when it looks like I’m not working at all that’s when I’m working the most”.
Re:The work-from-home future is destroying bosses' brains by zug_zug on Thursday June 10, 2021 @03:10PM (#27464382)
Well so the basic idea is this:

Either we can A) evaluate/measure engineers' output (e.g. commits/tickets), and promote/hire/fire based on whether they do enough of it per/day ("meritocratic"?)

B) Just plop engineers in chairs, and peer over their shoulder to make sure they aren't on reddit all day, and then trust that however long it took them to build the thing was reasonable.

A is really hard, it was the false-promise of agile. But in a remote culture, you either have to do A or install screen-monitoring software on your engineers to do B (or just hope/pray).

Of course perhaps there's another option, like a technical manager who reviews the volume/quantity of PRs and assesses based on that, but seems rare.

Re:The work-from-home future is destroying bosses' brains by autarch on Friday June 11, 2021 @12:02AM (#27469146)
I'm a "middle manager" managing a team of 3 right now, and my team has been all remote since I started in this role 4+ years ago. I have over 20 years of software dev experience and I still contribute to our code base.

It's pretty easy for me to listen to my team's daily updates at our standups and figure out how they're doing without A or B. If something's taker longer than our estimate and they explain why, it's not hard to tell if they're making this up (FWIW, no one who works on this team has ever done that).

And yeah, sometimes their productivity dips because they're tired, distracted by non-work stuff, or they just find this particular piece of work uninspiring. That's ok, no one operates at top productivity all the time.

But all of this just highlights the fact that if you want a manager of a development team to be able to evaluate team members' performance, that person needs to understand the job that those team members are doing.

Re:The work-from-home future is destroying bosses' brains by kwyjibo1230 on Thursday June 10, 2021 @03:51PM (#27464912)
Agreed. I think the intent of the previous commenters was more along the lines of "How do we determine which employees are working earnestly and effectively vs working without motivation or ineffectively?"

Its important to take time out of the question, because time spent, after a very small minimum, isn't a strong indicator of performance.

Re:The work-from-home future is destroying bosses' brains by 21eleven on Thursday June 10, 2021 @03:13PM (#27464415)
While not fun to point out, there is such a thing as toxic people who intentionally under perform at their jobs.