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Re:What would you pay for autonomous driving? Volkswagen hop... by tails4e on Thursday June 10, 2021 @03:48AM (#27458060)
If you leave the self driving aside, the model s is an amazing car. Compared with a high end bmw/merc/audi you get more features as standard - though I do admit the finish/build quality on those cars is superior. I have a 4 year old MS, and genuinely like it and love the acceleration/nimbleness and have experienced very few issues. I'd consider tesla again for my next car, but FSD would not be a factor either way.
Re:What would you pay for autonomous driving? Volkswagen hop... by hughrr on Thursday June 10, 2021 @04:03AM (#27458172)
I don’t buy on features myself because quite frankly every damn car I’ve hired or bought which has anything other than basic features is chock full of bugs and has to be fixed every two minutes. Auto companies just can’t and shouldn’t write any high level software at all and low level embedded stuff is even pretty awful. They just can’t support it properly. Tesla are a notable exception to this as in they actually offer OTA updates to their vehicles but the general rule is a big stinking thumbs down.

I mean the worst of this is the Range Rover I hired for a wedding to drive the bride in. Headlights gave out due to an electrical problem with CANbus when I was driving it back to the hire return. Just give me some fuses, switches and relays thanks.

My iPhone has 100x better navigation, media and communications support than anything else I’ve used. So I just slave it to the car with BT. I don’t even use CarPlay because bugs (Ford, Land Rover, Citroen in particular).

Keep the software and hardware separate and keep the hardware simple.

Re:What would you pay for autonomous driving? Volkswagen hop... by nicbou on Thursday June 10, 2021 @05:16AM (#27458624)
I think you are simply from a different breed of drivers. I assume you also wrench on those cars?

I also bet on simplicity, both because it's much cheaper, and because it gives me less trouble. Fuses, switches and relays, as you say.

I simply don't trust a company who already has my money to maintain a software package on wheels, and I just don't trust software in general.

Re:What would you pay for autonomous driving? Volkswagen hop... by tempestn on Friday June 11, 2021 @01:10AM (#27469523)
Used Model S's I'd agree with you. The new ones where you're apparently going to need to drive with a yoke, and without a turn signal stalk or wiper controls outside of the touchscreen... not so much. Tesla has a great electric powertrain and charging network; I just wish they'd stick to that and leave off all the nonsense. (See also, falcon wing doors, and air vents you need to adjust via a touch screen menu.)
Re:What would you pay for autonomous driving? Volkswagen hop... by wil421 on Thursday June 10, 2021 @08:52AM (#27460102)
The interior of any Tesla is light years behind a BMW/Merc/Audi. My wife recently got an x7 and even my Grand Cherokee seems nicer in some ways than a Tesla.

For the price of a Tesla you should be getting so much more inside especially at the S/X price level. Compared to the Mercs and BMWs I looked at a Tesla was more comparable to a nice Honda.

Re:What would you pay for autonomous driving? Volkswagen hop... by oh_sigh on Thursday June 10, 2021 @01:13PM (#27463044)
You need to compare like to like. Yes, the finish in Mercs and BMWs is better, but you're also comparing an ICE to an EV.

Look at what BMW offers for an EV. The i3, at $44k base. The i3 is basically a midlevel compact sedan. The Model 3, which you can get for $4k cheaper, is a way better deal IMHO.

Re:What would you pay for autonomous driving? Volkswagen hop... by tails4e on Thursday June 10, 2021 @04:53PM (#27465678)
What's particularly lacking in the MS interior? Very comfortable, leather all round, heated and adjustable seats. Best infotainment/nav system hands down, glass panoramic roof, and a very clean look.