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Re:What would you pay for autonomous driving? Volkswagen hop... by lawl on Thursday June 10, 2021 @01:34AM (#27457068)
latency might be an issue though
Re:What would you pay for autonomous driving? Volkswagen hop... by Qwertious on Thursday June 10, 2021 @07:04AM (#27459279)
The average reaction speed of a human to unanticipated situations can be ~3 seconds. Any connection within 1000KMs is generally going to be under 0.1s - an order of magnitude less than a human's.
Re:What would you pay for autonomous driving? Volkswagen hop... by lawl on Friday June 11, 2021 @02:46PM (#27477059)
I'll take your word for that, but remain unconvinced. I don't think it's just about reaction time.

Playing a game with input lag is terrible because you always need need to do all your inputs ahead of time in anticipation what a frame 100ms in the future will tell you. That might make precise control very difficult, not just in unanticipated situations such as e.g. emergency braking.

Re:What would you pay for autonomous driving? Volkswagen hop... by Qwertious on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @06:12AM (#27513208)
Games generally already involve adrenaline and focus, where you're primed for action to happen.

Unexpected road accidents typically involve someone who may not even be thinking about driving, who then have to notice the random screech, focus their eyes and process what's happening, then determine they need to immediately break, then break.

The problem with input lag isn't that human input is under 100ms, it's that too much of a gulf between input and on-screen response breaks the feedback loop - your brain struggles to connect your input alterations to an alteration actually happening. If you're throwing a ball, when you twist your wrist the ball is twisted immediately when the wrist holding it is twisted (because it's physically pinned to the hand that's physically attached to the wrist, and literally cannot be out of sync with the fingers gripping it).

It's like how VR users need under 30ms of latency or they throw up, except less drastic.

Re:What would you pay for autonomous driving? Volkswagen hop... by tempestn on Thursday June 10, 2021 @01:42AM (#27457143)
You can play high res FPS games on remote GPUs now, so I expect that part could be managed, if not now then in the very near future.
Re:What would you pay for autonomous driving? Volkswagen hop... by vidarh on Thursday June 10, 2021 @02:33AM (#27457538)
Presumably those remote gpus are not halfway around the world. Speed of light sets an inherent floor on the latency.

The issue is not the idea of remote control per se, though connection drops etc. would be a risk, but the notion yoga can outsource it to somewhere with far cheaper labour.

Re:What would you pay for autonomous driving? Volkswagen hop... by tempestn on Friday June 11, 2021 @01:24AM (#27469606)
Ah, yes, that's a good point.
Re:What would you pay for autonomous driving? Volkswagen hop... by ako on Thursday June 10, 2021 @06:49AM (#27459189)
How big is the different between simracing with iracing for example, and what would be required for real remote driving?
Re:What would you pay for autonomous driving? Volkswagen hop... by ako on Thursday June 10, 2021 @02:23AM (#27457459)
How is this solved for military drone pilots that do precision bombings in far away countries?
Re:What would you pay for autonomous driving? Volkswagen hop... by panda88888 on Thursday June 10, 2021 @02:40AM (#27457572)
With multiple pilots that manage different aspects of the mission. Also, up in the air at cruising altitude the latency is not as critical.
Re:What would you pay for autonomous driving? Volkswagen hop... by JamesBarney on Thursday June 10, 2021 @01:35AM (#27457081)
Not to mention connectivity
Re:What would you pay for autonomous driving? Volkswagen hop... by tempestn on Thursday June 10, 2021 @01:41AM (#27457133)
As long as connectivity was 'good enough', the car could have just enough self-driving capability to safely pull over in the case of an interruption. Would still need to be some nines, but wouldn't need to be utterly perfect.
Re:What would you pay for autonomous driving? Volkswagen hop... by JamesBarney on Thursday June 10, 2021 @11:57AM (#27462184)
I don't think safely pulling over a car is any easier to automate than the rest of driving. Those are some of the most complex maneuvers where you're at least as likely to hit a civilian or another car as driving down the street.