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Re:Trying to study textbooks effectively: a year of experime... by bawolff on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @02:31AM (#27444893)
I feel like this misses the point a bit.

Memorizing a text book has very little to do with learning a text book.

Re:Trying to study textbooks effectively: a year of experime... by sklearncowboy on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @07:09AM (#27446548)
Yea this article sounds like a good strategy on how to get correct answers on a test of things you don't understand.

I just think the categorization of "textbook" is nonsense to start with. Of course you want a book with text as opposed to a picture book.

You have to start with the right book. The variability between books on a subject is so huge and probably even different person to person based on prior knowledge.

Re:Trying to study textbooks effectively: a year of experime... by kiba on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @02:41AM (#27444956)
Memorizing and learning are the same process to me. What would be different is attempt at retention.

However, this is not strictly necessary because when you relearn a subject, you often relearn it faster due to previous experience(memory) with the subject matter.

If your goal is to retain skill/knowledge over time, than that's a different matter.

Re:Trying to study textbooks effectively: a year of experime... by bawolff on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @03:07AM (#27445113)
I don't think retention is the same as learning either (although it would be pretty depressing to learn without retention).

Learning is gaining the "wisdom" of the material. If all you're doing is rote memorization, you're missing the forest for the trees.

Re:Trying to study textbooks effectively: a year of experime... by philipswood on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @04:42AM (#27445635)
Having the wisdom is tough without having the knowledge.

Having the knowledge is difficult if you don't have the information.

I don't completely subscribe to Bloom's taxonomy of learning as the complete picture, but has at least some kernel of applicability.

The idea that there are different interdependent levels to mastering some field sounds true to me.

Re:Trying to study textbooks effectively: a year of experime... by jonsen on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @06:38AM (#27446370)
You might find this interesting:

https://www.amazon.com/Mind-Over-Machine-Hubert-Dreyfus/dp/0...

It’s a critique of AI but gives a thorough take on the progress from novice to expert.

Re:Trying to study textbooks effectively: a year of experime... by bawolff on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @06:16AM (#27446244)
I'd agree if we were living in the 1800's, but we're not. We're living in the age where everything is googleable (Including the text book). You don't have to memorize things to have information.
Re:Trying to study textbooks effectively: a year of experime... by philipswood on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @08:37AM (#27447195)
Even in the 1800's, in a good library, I'd have more information available in a searchable, indexed form than I could quickly read into "working memory" to be able to "process" with.

Having a Grey's anatomy book in front of me, all available to read, does not make me able to perform anatomy at an advanced level.

It's similar to having data in secondary storage, that still needs to be loaded into a process's working memory, before it can be worked on. This is specifically true of condensed terminology that's used to compress further explanations.

Following the anatomy example - if I don't have the terminology to describe the different positional views available without doing an external lookup first, following a basic description becomes very difficult and involves so many lookups as to become impossible to follow.

I can't find the article/paper, but I remember reading something where someone calculated the trade-off for a specific API between knowing a percentage of the API method signatures of by heart versus looking up each one using the IDE documentation each time. It made a very big performance difference in the end.

BTW: knowing what you don't NEED to remember and can just reference when required, is probably part of the skills making you an expert.

Re:Trying to study textbooks effectively: a year of experime... by kiba on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @09:48AM (#27447781)
Yep. Learning these things make it easier to google, not harder.
Re:Trying to study textbooks effectively: a year of experime... by wolfi1 on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @03:19AM (#27445175)
if I want to learn something I want to understand it, so that in the end I'm having a high signal to noise ratio but if I memorize things I don't necessarily understand them leading to a low signal to noise ratio
Re:Trying to study textbooks effectively: a year of experime... by kiba on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @07:17AM (#27446598)
It is difficult to remember something that you don't understand.
Re:Trying to study textbooks effectively: a year of experime... by jonsen on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @02:38AM (#27444930)
Read it again using another technique, and you may have a different feeling.
Re:Trying to study textbooks effectively: a year of experime... by swiley on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @09:23AM (#27447569)
The advantage to memorizing a textbook is you can learn without it. So if you can memorize quickly but learn much more slowly you can use time that's otherwise lost (like the two hours of mandatory daily driving in the US) for learning.