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Re:A Project of One’s Own by monoideism on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @08:43AM (#27434381)
> common sentiment reminds me of reading history about lynchings in Jim Crow era and sun down towns

I'm about as far from woke or PC as you could imagine, but that's an incredibly inaccurate comparison.

Reading some developer scorn or arrogance, no matter how unfortunate or annoying, shares no common features with an actual lynching.

Re:A Project of One’s Own by austincheney on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @09:57AM (#27435279)
I am not claiming to be physically beaten, but to me the attitudes as I interpret them feel the same from what I have read compared to what I have experienced in how it feels and how it impairs my career progression/mobility. Earlier when I used the word hostility it wasn’t for elaboration.
Re:A Project of One’s Own by edent on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @09:00AM (#27434560)
Perhaps you would describe yourself of being aware of the negative power that racialised language can have on people? And now you've realised that, it seems wrong to draw distasteful comparisons - not least because of the potential reaction of your peers.

It is almost like you've had an awakening and realise that it is important to understand how important it is to behave in a politically savvy way.

If only we had some words for that...

Re:A Project of One’s Own by NikolaNovak on Thursday June 10, 2021 @01:26PM (#27463183)
Depending on your location, if "woke" is where you're going to, empathically not.

Around these here parts, the term means many many things, and it involves anything from anti-vaccination & homeopathy and far further medical fringes (Crystals and essential oils for everything up to and including cancer or covid etc), through vast conspiracy theories up to and including Illuminati and Templars and Masons and everything else, impractical and frequently random / fashionable food choices and restrictions, and so on and so worth. "Sensitive", "Aware", "Liberal" or "Emotionally Intelligent" are not part of local definition of "Woke" anymore. In general, "Woke" and "Science/Fact-oriented" are fairly mutually exclusive here - while that's an unfair generalization, that's exactly the problem - the term has diffused and has a lot of negative in addition to perhaps some positive meanings; but mostly it's used by any given fanatical group to indicate their superiority compared to its antonym, "Sheeple".

If you meant a different word, noting it explicitly would be helpful :)

Re:A Project of One’s Own by UncleMeat on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @08:59AM (#27434548)
> mention explicit use of events or the DOM and the common sentiment reminds me of reading history about lynchings in Jim Crow era and sun down towns

Mass murder with no judicial punishment resembles people being mean to you at work? Black people were disemboweled and burned alive by gangs of people who did it for fun. This is the most ridiculous comparison I think I have ever seen on this forum.

Re:A Project of One’s Own by austincheney on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @07:18PM (#27442332)
Jim Crow is a collection of various discriminatory laws and regulations with the intention of institutionalizing racial segregation and discrimination.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws

It seems you are confusing Jim Crow for the various riots and racial violence that occurred during that time period. It serves no benefit to falsely intertwine similar but separate historical concepts solely to write some vague hyperbole.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole

Re:A Project of One’s Own by UncleMeat on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @08:26PM (#27442802)
He didn't just say "Jim Crow laws" but instead "lynchings in Jim Crow era", which specifically refers to extrajudicial gang murders of black people in america.
Re:A Project of One’s Own by dkarl on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @09:23AM (#27434812)
If you want to impress someone, publish your side project, whatever that means for the type of project it is. Of course the code needs to be public on GitHub or somewhere similar, but if it's a web project, publish it to the web. If it's an app, publish it to an app store and have it on your phone in the interview.

The reason people aren't as interested in side projects is that most aspects of professional software development are optional in side projects. The vast majority of side projects are done alone, and for a very narrow purpose: write a command line utility to learn Rust, write a web app to work through a design idea for it, write a game for the sake of implementing a pathing algorithm.

As a result, in most cases programmers rightly neglect 95% of the work that it would require to produce a version for public consumption, and on top of that, they don't have to communicate with product, QA, or other developers. Building something that is fit for purpose is usually orders of magnitude easier when the purpose is to learn something, satisfy curiosity, or solve the narrow version of a problem that you are personally facing.

Because of this, interviewers have very low initial assumptions about what it means when you say you did something as a side project, and you'll have to show them.

Re:A Project of One’s Own by beaconstudios on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @08:31AM (#27434258)
I think that's just a HN bubble (SV bubble?) attitude. Working outside of FAANG, I've never encountered such absolutist thinking around the use of JS. Most developers are just trying to get the feature working as specified, regardless of whether it uses a core mechanic or a bit of JS. Better developers simply know the spectrum of options for implementing their features and choose what they perceive to be the best tool for the job based on the available tradeoffs, they don't declare certain options to be heretical or proof of moral lacking.
Re:A Project of One’s Own by walugipnts on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @08:51AM (#27434467)
Seriously, lynchings? Is this the type of comparison you really want to make here? that was the first thing that came to mind? Do we really need to double down on the perception that HN consists solely of out of touch white men?
Re:A Project of One’s Own by christophilus on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @08:43AM (#27434378)
Anecdotally, but the thing that got me into FAANG companies was my resume, not my grades. I had started a company in college, and that ambitious project opened a whole lot of doors.

I've been in charge of hiring many times, and not once have I looked at grades. I don't even bother looking at the "education" portion of resumes (except when looking at the rare candidate who has no work experience).

Re:A Project of One’s Own by mattgreenrocks on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @09:38AM (#27435019)
> As a web developer

Don't brand yourself as that, because you subject yourself to the cultural baggage that comes with it, including the hiring practices and aesthetics (if you can call them that).

"But I program mostly for the web!" No, you don't program _just_ for the web, you program more holistically than your peers, you said it yourself:

> my peers tend to fear data structures...and present an extreme fear of original code

And we really need more people like that.