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Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by galaxyLogic on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @02:27AM (#27431246)
Can someone explain simply why it is supposed to be so hard to track ransomware bitcoin payments, if all bitcoin transactions are in a shared public ledger?

If the victim pays someone we know which account it goes to, right? Then we know that account is criminal.

If bitcoins move from that account to other accounts we know that accounts that receive them are essentially "hiding stolen goods". So they are criminal accounts as well.

Then at some point they want to get dollars, and FBI can catch them by following where the dollars were sent. No?

Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by avhwl on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @06:20AM (#27432810)
>Can someone explain simply why it is supposed to be so hard to track ransomware bitcoin payments, if all bitcoin transactions are in a shared public ledger?

Clearly, it's not. This is a pervasive misconception. Bitcoin is not, and is not even meant to be, private. Even with obfuscation attempts, nearly every ransomware gang has their bitcoin payments fully tracked, as this one did. There is a robust industry of blockchain analytics that pulls in many many millions each year surveilling the bitcoin blockchain. Virtually all exchanges (fiat on and off ramps) collaborate with those analytics companies and require full KYC/AML of their customers, and can thus apply their KYC label data to blockchain metadata.

Bitcoin is not account based: it is based on unspent transaction output sets. UTXOs can be combined with many other UTXOs, combined into one, or split into many. This leaves a large amount of potential for obfuscation strategies such as CoinJoin[^1]. Nearly all of these gangs attempt to use CoinJoin or similar but make small mistakes such as being representative of a large amount of the volume, leaking information through timing, combining their outputs into one, or countless other potential errors, and often a simple "FIFO" strategy can trace flows. Obfuscation is not a robust anonymity strategy, and pseudonymity is not anonymity. To quote Vitalik Buterin, "If your privacy model has a medium anonymity set, it really has a small anonymity set. If your privacy model has a small anonymity set, it has an anonymity set of 1. Only global anonymity sets (eg. as done with ZK-SNARKs) are truly robustly secure."[^2]

[^1]: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/CoinJoin [^2]: https://twitter.com/vitalikbuterin/status/119646811199575654...

Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by galaxyLogic on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @08:16PM (#27455164)
Good explanation thanks. I'm only a bit confused now. You say "Bitcoin is not account based". But if we send bitcoin to some address doesn't that address in effect equate to an "account"?

Just like if you put money into my bank-account you will need to know the account-number (i.e. "address") of my bank-account?

Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by probably_wrong on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @02:46AM (#27431339)
Leaving aside services like bitcoin mixers designed to obfuscate the process, I think the usefulness of bitcoin for ransomware is that it allows you to move a big sum of money quickly without verifying your identity and without going through bank checks.

I think you are correct about getting dollars out being the risky part, but this way the criminals will at least have a head start in their race against the FBI.

Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by lacker on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @02:38AM (#27431304)
The FBI doesn't have access to every Bitcoin exchange. There are exchanges in other countries that let you trade anonymously, either into fiat or other cryptocurrencies.
Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by yaitsyaboi on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @03:45AM (#27431675)
Do those other exchanges have some other type of anonymity mechanism? I guess I could see Monero on Bitcoin as a service, but if it isn't something like that it seems just as pseudoanonymous as regular BTC