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Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by colechristensen on Monday June 07, 2021 @07:55PM (#27428899)
People overestimate criminals. The ones that get caught, especially.

What would you do if you were a foreign intelligence service? Participate in attacks yourself?

No! You would drop hints and supply tools sideways to sloppy groups of idiots enabling them to be destructive, maybe acquiring some funds, and keeping your hands as clean as possible. Then when it comes out that "elite russian hackers" were incompetent idiots, it makes people think the claims of your connection to the crimes are even less likely.

Tricks and disinformation are the name of the game.

If you actually were elite, you would hide and practice and save your actual actions for critical moments and not show your hand for a few million dollars. Or you'd go into security consulting which is a far safer, more profitable, and overall smarter thing to do.

Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by snypher on Monday June 07, 2021 @08:11PM (#27429030)
I think it was the RSA hack where the second (and presumed more elite) team had gained access to the first group of hackers and just followed their APTs. Noone really found out about the second group when the story was reported on.
Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by chii on Monday June 07, 2021 @07:57PM (#27428919)
> If you actually were elite

exactly. Look at stuxnet - nobody knew it was an attack until it was over!

Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by onlyrealcuzzo on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @03:17AM (#27431517)
People also underestimate the amount of people trying to commit crimes like this.

If there are millions of people trying to ransomware businesses and hundreds of important businesses with really bad security, depending on how talented the best hackers are - the odds could be quite high you get hacked by a not-so-talented hacker.

Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by paulpauper on Monday June 07, 2021 @09:18PM (#27429544)
hacker gangs can make tens of millions dollars. No security consultant makes that much.
Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by acdha on Monday June 07, 2021 @10:36PM (#27430049)
Gangs are multiple people, they have higher expenses (can’t go to a normal bank, have to pay off local police, etc.), and the long-term prospects are risky so they need to get rich and find safe places to store the money after laundering it. Plus every so often you get on the wrong side of someone nasty and end up involved in something much riskier or dead.

Even if you’re completely amoral, getting a hefty paycheck, 401k, etc. is going to be appealing to most people with that skill level. It’s not a coincidence that a lot of this happens in places where people have poor career options which makes that more appealing.

Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by jlgaddis on Monday June 07, 2021 @10:48PM (#27430119)
Yes, but... if you're in Russia, my understanding is that you really don't have too much to worry about, so long as you only go after targets outside of Russia.
Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by PeterisP on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @03:50AM (#27431705)
And as long as you're happy with never going outside Russia yourself - I seem to recall a situation some years ago where one culprit was offered a good tech job in the west, and was arrested when arriving at the airport for some scam they did many years ago.
Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by stef25 on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @06:46AM (#27433219)
A whole bunch of them have been arrested in or on their way to Dubai, Thailand, Maldives etc.
Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by smoldesu on Monday June 07, 2021 @09:30PM (#27429638)
Hacker gangs also apparently lose 2.4 million dollars at the drop of a hat, which is something that no security consultant ever has to worry about.
Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by DaiPlusPlus on Monday June 07, 2021 @10:47PM (#27430110)
> which is something that no security consultant ever has to worry about

There's enough self-styled cypherpunk infosec experts that might insist on being paid only in BTC and then lose their decrypted wallet...

Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by manigandham on Monday June 07, 2021 @11:54PM (#27430495)
They could also be paid in cash, use that to buy BTC and then lose their wallet. It's a random problem, not related to receiving valid payment for legitimate work.
Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by smoldesu on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @03:16PM (#27439562)
Yeah, but the same goes for any job. You can't blame your new job when you forgot the keycard to your new office.
Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by kube-system on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @01:31AM (#27430953)
Those gangs aren’t one person, and neither are the IT security companies that are making tens (or hundreds) of millions.
Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by cyanydeez on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @09:25PM (#27443183)
right, the deployers are not the people creating the tools.

this is a true criminal SaaS, partly because its low risk, high reward for the developers and partly because its a russian funded op that needs to cover its ass in the nature of its attacks on democracy and corporatism.