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Re:Once a bastion of free speech, the ACLU faces an identity... by toyg on Sunday June 06, 2021 @08:01PM (#27417531)
Germany has strong protections for individual freedoms and privacy in their constitution, precisely to avoid an illiberal government from arising ever again. The Nazi ban is effectively the lone exception to the rule.

This said, European police generally gets away with a degree of prevarication that North Americans would find unconceivable. The US constitution enshrines the rights of individuals over government, in a way that no European country can match (as far as I know).

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Re:Once a bastion of free speech, the ACLU faces an identity... by StavrosK on Sunday June 06, 2021 @08:03PM (#27417546)
> This said, European police generally gets away with a degree of prevarication that North Americans would find unconceivable.

Not to be inflammatory, but North American police generally gets away with a degree of murder that Europeans find inconceivable.

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Re:Once a bastion of free speech, the ACLU faces an identity... by hallway_monitor on Monday June 07, 2021 @12:18AM (#27418948)
Stop the straw man please. No one is going around killing citizens. Something like nine unarmed people per year are killed by US police out of 10 million interactions.
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Re:Once a bastion of free speech, the ACLU faces an identity... by zimpenfish on Monday June 07, 2021 @04:15AM (#27420253)
From 2015 to 2020Q1, 753 unarmed people were killed by US police for an average of about 145/year or approximately one every 60 hours / 2.5 days.

Key quote: "The victims were unarmed in 1 in 6 (753;16%) fatal shootings."

https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/fatal-police-shootings-...

For balance, this 2018 gives lower numbers - hovering around 60ish per year. Although that is still significantly higher than 9.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/fatal-police-s...

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Re:Once a bastion of free speech, the ACLU faces an identity... by StavrosK on Monday June 07, 2021 @03:40AM (#27420058)
Nice statistic, but killings by police are 28 per million in the states versus 1.3 in Germany/France:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enfo...

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Re:Once a bastion of free speech, the ACLU faces an identity... by skocznymroczny on Monday June 07, 2021 @03:54AM (#27420133)
That's total deaths caused by police. It would obviously be higher in the US because the criminals are more likely to have and use guns, policemen in the US just can't afford the peaceful approaches most policemen in Europe can. That doesn't mean they get away with more.
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