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Re:Zero to Production in Rust by vvanders on Saturday June 05, 2021 @07:37PM (#27409331)
I think we're working from different definitions of learning curves. I include in the learning curve understanding your memory ownership model, not introducing use after free, heap corruption or other failure modes.

I would argue that if you don't understand the ownership of your data you don't really understand C++(or C) and you're still learning the language. That's usually the big shift I see when developers who have a background in higher level languages moving down to C++. I've seen plenty use after free and heap corruption happen in C++0x11 and onward codebases both staying completely within modern best practices and when code diverges since there's no guardrails(ex: std::string::c_str, std::unique_ptr::get and the like).

Once you include all the footguns that exist(yes, even in modern C++) and the legacy parts of existing codebases or code that diverges from modern C++ that's why I think it has a much higher learning curve to be producing code that is at the same quality as a passing compile from Rust in aggregate.

Re:Zero to Production in Rust by moldavi on Saturday June 05, 2021 @07:55PM (#27409422)
That's reasonable; one's threshold of "safe enough" factors in.

If one is just designing a game, or a command line tool for internal use, one needn't make it completely rock solid, and C++ has the better learning curve.

If one includes the requirement to make it safer, Rust has the better learning curve.

And then if someone actually values memory safety, they use a GC'd language and laugh at how many engineer-months and proofs it will take us to make code as safe as theirs. Sigh, such is life...