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Re:Brazilian government signs up to develop OpenOffice and L... by arthur_debert on Thursday July 07, 2011 @10:13AM (#2738469)
Because it is not its core business? Look, anywhere you look, the government could, in theory step into production of X and save money. The government's version would always cost less, since you can subtract profits and the costs of features / expenditure to support other customers.

Why doesn't the US gov just create a telco? Or any large supplier, really?

This sounds good in theory, but in practice it tends to put the state machinery in charge of managing things it's largely incapable of.

I'd much rather the government would show support either by donations (and let Apache Foundation / whomever manage their own thing), or just creating stimulus plans with the money saved (say, for example to make sure computers did not costs 3x as much in Brazil as they do in the US).

The public sector has many restrictions (elections every few years changing management, very much subject to political pressures, larger bureaucracy etc) that make it a bad competitor in a number of business.

Re:Brazilian government signs up to develop OpenOffice and L... by rbanffy on Thursday July 07, 2011 @10:40AM (#2738588)
I fail to see where the article implies Brazilan government would try to control either office suite. What I read was they would work together and support. If they hire a dozen developers (and, from my experience with FLOSS within the Brazilian government, they would be very clever people) we should be happy, right?

I also see this commitment would go a long way in creating and documenting the means to support OOo an LO in very large installations, helping develop the technologies companies would use to deploy them.

Re:Brazilian government signs up to develop OpenOffice and L... by arthur_debert on Thursday July 07, 2011 @11:05AM (#2738729)
The language of the letter is pretty vague, it mentions "creation of a collaboration group to develop" which can be pretty munch anything (or nothing at all, actually).

I am not sure the Brazilian gov hiring developers is the best course of action. I'd much rather have it fund Apache Soft, Mozilla, or any other organization that knows how to do it.

In my experience, pretty much ever govt software I've interacted with (imposto de renda, nota fiscal paulista, the portal brasil fluke?) is incredibly bad. I fail to see the hand on clever people in them.

Re:Brazilian government signs up to develop OpenOffice and L... by tokenadult on Thursday July 07, 2011 @04:44PM (#2740238)
The government's version would always cost less, since you can subtract profits and the costs of features / expenditure to support other customers.

Aren't there already counterexamples of government products costing more to end users than privately produced products, even in the world of software. Certainly there is no general principle in economics that that which is done by state actors is less expensive than that which is done by private actors. Often the situation is exactly the other way around, with government services being much more expensive than privately delivered services.

Re:Brazilian government signs up to develop OpenOffice and L... by jules on Thursday July 07, 2011 @10:56AM (#2738680)
Why are computers so expensive in Brazil? A Big Mac is also relatively expensive. Is it just an expensive country in general?
Re:Brazilian government signs up to develop OpenOffice and L... by Cofor on Thursday July 07, 2011 @11:14AM (#2738760)
Largely because of taxes. Brazilian taxes are extremely high. http://www.quantocustaobrasil.com.br/site/downloads/impostos... This table is in Portuguese but it's easy to understand. The second column means the tax percentage of certain product / service. It's published by the union of Ministry of Finance's workers.
Re:Brazilian government signs up to develop OpenOffice and L... by arthur_debert on Thursday July 07, 2011 @12:04PM (#2739014)
Those are not for imports. In the case of computers, since we do not produce them, the taxes are much higher. Pretty much all eletronics cost between 2 to 3x as much as they would in the US.
Re:Brazilian government signs up to develop OpenOffice and L... by juliano_q on Thursday July 07, 2011 @12:51PM (#2739211)
Yes. If we want to buy an Amazon Kindle that will cost exactly 2x times the original price. It is the most expensive Kindle in the world (the second is India, with around 1.3x the original price). It is ridiculous.
Re:Brazilian government signs up to develop OpenOffice and L... by lzm on Thursday July 07, 2011 @12:57PM (#2739248)
Factor in the average income of a Brazilian family and you'll wonder how on Earth electronic gadgets get sold here at all.
Re:Brazilian government signs up to develop OpenOffice and L... by juliano_q on Thursday July 07, 2011 @01:15PM (#2739330)
Yesterday I was walking in front of an operator store (Vivo) and saw the first Samsung Galaxy (i7500) for sale. Unfortunately I had one i7500 a few years ago. The price: 899 BRL (around 578 dollars).
Re:Brazilian government signs up to develop OpenOffice and L... by lzm on Thursday July 07, 2011 @01:00PM (#2739261)
Taxes are so high, yet we have little to no infrastructure. It's a shame, I really with I was born somewhere else.