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Re:Microsoft Irish subsidiary paid zero corporate tax on £22... by throwaway0a5e on Thursday June 03, 2021 @07:46AM (#27379825)
>Individuals shouldn't see tax. That way the voters don't complain when you need to put it up.

If taxation is such an inherent good then why does it need to be hidden from people?

If the rate is justifiable the government shouldn't need to hide it. When you consider a democratic society where the government at least indirectly serves the will of the people the idea of the government needing to pull a fast one on the people or obfuscate its actions lest the people tell them to stop becomes even more absurd.

Re:Microsoft Irish subsidiary paid zero corporate tax on £22... by johnday on Thursday June 03, 2021 @07:55AM (#27379917)
> If taxation is such an inherent good then why does it need to be hidden from people?

Because the externalities are not always visible, and people do not have enough free bandwidth to spend the time understanding them.

Re:Microsoft Irish subsidiary paid zero corporate tax on £22... by willcipriano on Thursday June 03, 2021 @08:10AM (#27380074)
Call me old fashioned, but I believe it is the role of the person being paid to justify the expense. If you get hand wavy and tell me its too complicated I'm just going to presume you are stealing from me.
Re:Microsoft Irish subsidiary paid zero corporate tax on £22... by johnday on Thursday June 03, 2021 @08:23AM (#27380201)
The Government is not "being paid" tax dollars[^0], it is (in principle, at least) spending and redistributing wealth in ways which benefit all citizens. UKGov releases these reports, for example https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/national-statistic... - good luck condensing these down to the point where they can fit in any taxpayer's head, and this is just the surface level outgoings.

> If you get hand wavy and tell me its too complicated [...]

Unfortunately, it really is too complicated. A doctorate in economics might get you a decent way towards understanding the good that taxation provides, but given that economists still have differences of opinion, maybe not a complete understanding.

[^0]: Well it is, but only a tiny proportion.

Re:Microsoft Irish subsidiary paid zero corporate tax on £22... by TimPC on Thursday June 03, 2021 @08:45AM (#27380419)
What exactly is your background where you assume your answer is correct when you know even the experts have substantial disagreements on taxation. Maybe there are a lot of legitimate disagreements on how much and which taxes because taxes aren’t a universal good but rather a necessary evil.
Re:Microsoft Irish subsidiary paid zero corporate tax on £22... by johnday on Thursday June 03, 2021 @11:56AM (#27383271)
What claims do you think I have made? All I have said above is that taxation (a) is complicated and (b) has hidden externalities, both of which are obviously correct and appropriate responses to the things being asked.
Re:Microsoft Irish subsidiary paid zero corporate tax on £22... by neilwilson on Thursday June 03, 2021 @12:05PM (#27383402)
" A doctorate in economics might get you a decent way towards understanding the good that taxation provides"

Unlikely. Economics doesn't even understand how the monetary system works, let alone taxation.

Taxation works more like memory garbage collection than anything else. It's a cleaning up process.

Re:Microsoft Irish subsidiary paid zero corporate tax on £22... by neilwilson on Thursday June 03, 2021 @11:52AM (#27383184)
"If taxation is such an inherent good then why does it need to be hidden from people?"

It isn't an inherent good. It's just required to reduce demand and release people so the public sector can purchase them with its money.

Without it you would have inflation - or none of the public services we voted for.

The reason you pay tax is that your income is higher than it otherwise would have been without the government spending.

What people who don't like tax forget is that should you eliminate it, the increased income will be eliminated too. But not in a smooth way. Jobs will be decimated, and one of those might be yours.