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Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by InvertedRhodium on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @07:52PM (#27375458)
Why?
Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by jen20 on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @10:20PM (#27376524)
Because that is the guidance from the CDC.
Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by whymauri on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @07:57PM (#27375485)
Because unvaccinated people can contract and spread COVID?
Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by swader999 on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @08:04PM (#27375536)
So can vaccinated people.
Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by kelnos on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @08:13PM (#27375610)
Sure, but the probability of that happening is much, much lower, to the point of it being not worth protecting against, for the most part.
Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by InvertedRhodium on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @10:41PM (#27376668)
HIV has a transmission rate below 2% - I'd still suggest wearing a condom though.
Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by ledauphin on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @11:02PM (#27376781)
risk/reward ratio here is way different, no?
Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by refurb on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @10:26PM (#27376575)
Not really. Singapore is finding quite a few infections among the vaccinated. Sure, they don't get severe disease, but they do spread disease.

https://mothership.sg/2021/06/mindsville-napiri-covid-19/

Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by whymauri on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @08:17PM (#27375645)
lol

you're totally right, let's just never trust any vaccine or medical developments due to anomalous chance of failure. in accordance to this, i pledge to never leave my home until i leave this barren earth.

Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by alpaca128 on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @08:55PM (#27375906)
The vaccine does not completely prevent you from getting infected or from being able to infect others. It drastically reduces the chance, especially of the more dangerous symptoms affecting the lungs, but it doesn't grant complete immunity.

Besides, measures like masks also affect many other diseases; this recent winter they were effective enough to reduce influenza-related deaths by over 95% compared to the year before.

Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by blabitty on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @09:37PM (#27376209)
>this recent winter they were effective enough to reduce influenza-related deaths by over 95% compared to the year before.

A little hard to chalk that up to masking alone given all the other drastic societal changes. What about WFH and distancing?

Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by alpaca128 on Thursday June 03, 2021 @07:05AM (#27379459)
I never excluded other measures beside masks. I mainly mentioned masks ("measures like masks") because they were the main topic here.
Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by astrange on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @09:49PM (#27376307)
“Drastically reducing the chances” is all you need, because everyone else has also gotten vaccinated and there isn’t a supply of bats dropping fresh virus on you to constantly challenge it.

The COVID vaccines really are so good there’s not much reason to take extra precautions as long as you’ve gotten one. Variants don’t even matter since it’s not the flu.

Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by swader999 on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @11:52PM (#27377041)
I never said there wasn't value in being vaccinated. Obviously it reduces death and severe illness.
Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by themacguffinman on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @08:18PM (#27375650)
The popular vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca) are known to significantly reduce asymptomatic infections as well [1].

[1] Table 1b. Effectiveness of COVID-19 Vaccination Against Asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 Infection in https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br...

Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by hauget on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @07:59PM (#27375501)
Exactly.
Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by ledauphin on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @07:56PM (#27375482)
Why not?
Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by InvertedRhodium on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @08:18PM (#27375647)
Just seems like a somewhat arbitrary point to draw the line - I assumed there was some logical justification for it that I was missing.
Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by Larrikin on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @08:23PM (#27375687)
Are you sure you aren't being facetious and pretending like you have not heard any mention of the numerous studies that show vaccinated people do not spread the virus in any significant percentage and how herd immunity works?
Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by InvertedRhodium on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @10:21PM (#27376531)
No, I haven't seen any of those studies and I have very little personal motivation to do so as I live in NZ and the only place I care to travel to is Australia - so no need to pretend or be facetious at all.

In fact, my first actual exposure to wearing a mask was less than 3 weeks ago when I traveled to Sydney. TBH, I don't know what the big fuss is about.