What's yours stays yours. - Dropbox Terms Update

Re:What's yours stays yours. - Dropbox Terms Update by sambeau on Thursday July 07, 2011 @01:47AM (#2737352)

"Microsoft hasn't had good products or good intentions in a very long time."

Apart from:

  XBox
  XBox 360
  Numerous XBox Games
  XBox Live
  Kinect

(and controversially, perhaps

  Expression Design

now, sadly, no longer developed)

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Re:What's yours stays yours. - Dropbox Terms Update by rodh257 on Thursday July 07, 2011 @04:01AM (#2737668)

Also... Windows 7, .NET, Visual Studio, Office 2007 (Ribbon overhaul), WP7 (though a way to come yet, but tends to get good reviews, particularly for the UI).

Just because they are not your personal preference doesn't mean that they aren't good products.

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Re:What's yours stays yours. - Dropbox Terms Update by chrisjsmith on Thursday July 07, 2011 @07:57AM (#2738097)

Visual Studio is an awful product. It's bloated, performs badly, expensive and extremely unreliable.

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Re:What's yours stays yours. - Dropbox Terms Update by thibaut_barrere on Thursday July 07, 2011 @10:10AM (#2738458)

Although I do mainly Ruby these days, I still use VisualStudio from times to times and find it quite enjoyable personally.

Which reliability issues did you meet on which version?

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Re:What's yours stays yours. - Dropbox Terms Update by chrisjsmith on Thursday July 07, 2011 @02:22PM (#2739637)

VS2010. Mainly the fact that the user interface is painfully slow[1] (either that or I'm unreasonably fast which is rediculous as Vim can keep up with me) and it just dies about 5 times a day on a good day. It might be the solution size though - it's got about 0.5 million lines of C# in it. Still it should work.

[1] On a quad core Xeon with 12Gb RAM, SAS disks and ATI FirePro card.

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Re:What's yours stays yours. - Dropbox Terms Update by thibaut_barrere on Thursday July 07, 2011 @02:41PM (#2739729)

That size of codebase is definitely an issue :) Last time I had 500k of C#+C++ (5 years ago roughly), I split the solution into around 20 solutions, and used binary dependencies (with CruiseControl.Net on top of that [1]).

I remember reading similar advices in other places as well (and for other languages/platforms, too).

[1] http://mikebroberts.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/enterprise-c...

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Re:What's yours stays yours. - Dropbox Terms Update by chrisjsmith on Thursday July 07, 2011 @04:35PM (#2740196)

That looks painful. I'd rather like to move it to an SOA and split it into logical feature partitions and use service composition and windows workflow to integrate it all. Typically, I don't think anyone wants to pay for that though.

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Re:What's yours stays yours. - Dropbox Terms Update by staunch on Thursday July 07, 2011 @01:55AM (#2737376)

Okay, fine, one good product in 10 years and bad intentions...

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Re:What's yours stays yours. - Dropbox Terms Update by sambeau on Thursday July 07, 2011 @02:57AM (#2737529)

I should have made it clearer that I wasn't trying to disprove your greater point, only clarify that one division of Microsoft does make good, very popular stuff.

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Re:What's yours stays yours. - Dropbox Terms Update by cubeboy on Thursday July 07, 2011 @02:30AM (#2737464)

Sun had good intentions

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Re:What's yours stays yours. - Dropbox Terms Update by staunch on Thursday July 07, 2011 @02:39AM (#2737491)

Their products were "bad" (overpriced and mostly technically inferior.)

I'm not even sure their intentions were very good except in the very early days. Hard to imagine Google charging $900 for a $90 memory stick like Sun did.

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Re:What's yours stays yours. - Dropbox Terms Update by sukuriant on Thursday July 07, 2011 @06:56AM (#2738000)

Charging for their R&D, maybe? Sun did give out a LOT for free. Those sorts of free come with a cost to someone

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Re:What's yours stays yours. - Dropbox Terms Update by protomyth on Thursday July 07, 2011 @12:37PM (#2739154)

Although they bought the program, I have always found Visio to be a great program. Expression Design really had some potential.

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