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Re:America has a drinking problem by ABCLAW on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @10:24PM (#27364073)
>It's hard to reduce the US to a single culture.

The US had a very particular set of economic conditions in respect of infrastructure quality, volume of arable land for corn production, and corn vs corn mash distillate transport costs.

The result? "[In the 1790s], the settlement of the so-called “corn belt” in the Midwest created large new supplies of corn, which was cheaper and more profitable to convert into whiskey than it was to transport great distances without spoiling. Thus, as Rorabaugh notes: “Western farmers could make no profit shipping corn overland to eastern markets, so they distilled corn into ‘liquid assets.’ By the 1820s, whiskey sold for twenty-five cents a gallon, making it cheaper than beer, wine, coffee, tea, or milk.”

https://www.pastemagazine.com/drink/alcohol-history/the-1800...

Given the price, Americans drank an absurdly, mind-bendingly large amount of booze. While not uniform, the US has a consistently different relationship with alcohol than most other countries as a result of the impact of these events and responses to them upon it's food culture.

Re:America has a drinking problem by ekidd on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @11:04PM (#27364323)
> Given the price, Americans drank an absurdly, mind-bendingly large amount of booze.

I once skimmed Prohibition-era academic text that described US drinking culture of the pre-Prohibition period in detail. It was fairly disturbing, as you suggest—whiskey in serving sizes that would work better with beer, and things like that.

But even though Prohibition failed to stop people from drinking, it apparently _did_ disrupt the earlier drinking culture in many ways. So I would be careful about using pre-Prohibition behavior to make inferences about post-Prohibition behavior.

(I'd love to find that book again, but sadly the library which had it got rid of a substantial number of rarely-used older books at some point.)

Re:America has a drinking problem by ABCLAW on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @11:21PM (#27364449)
My statement isn't that Americans are still drowning in cheaper than milk corn-booze.

It's that there's a shared history regarding alcohol consumption which is uniquely American in nature.

Prohibition is part of that unique experience, and very much a part of the explanation for the compression of the consumption distribution.

Re:America has a drinking problem by zwp on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @02:43AM (#27365657)
A slight tangent but Hogarth's "Beer Street and Gin Lane" (1751) documents a similar example of low grain prices resulting in massive, country-wide alcohol consumption in England. The subsequent government reaction and legislation did not go as far as American prohibition though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Street_and_Gin_Lane

Re:America has a drinking problem by gnat on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @12:47AM (#27364947)
Great book to read about the history of American drinking is "Drink: A Social History of America" by Andrew Barr <https://www.amazon.com/Drink-History-America-Andrew-Barr/dp/...>. It covers the historical forces behind the current state of drinking, why the drinks are what they are, and more. Fascinating, and full of anecdotes. This is a parallel book to his "Drink: A Social History" which was about the British social history of alcohol. Also fascinating.
Re:America has a drinking problem by jdc on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @10:42PM (#27364180)
This is a very interesting point, however it does stand in contradiction to GP's claim that Europeans broadly drink more than Americans in absolute terms.
Re:America has a drinking problem by snovv_crash on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @07:06AM (#27367252)
I visited a castle in Switzerland (Chateau de Chillon) and they had a presentation on medieval eating and drinking habits.

Apparently it was absolutely normal for everyone who could afford it to be drunk all of the time, from seamstresses to soldiers. I don't think our modern efficiency-conscious society can really understand what it was like back then.

Re:America has a drinking problem by mantas on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @07:36AM (#27367456)
Two key bits - how drunk and who could afford it.

Safe drinking water was a pain in the ass. So mild alcoholic drinks was the norm. That that'd give you a little buzz at best.

Very few people could have afforded to be truly shitfaced 24/7.

Re:America has a drinking problem by offa on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @09:25AM (#27368396)
From what I understand, the "safe drinking water was a pain in the ass" thing is largely a myth. Some good information available in this r/AskHistorians Reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1svj1q/how_d...
Re:America has a drinking problem by mantas on Thursday June 03, 2021 @03:12AM (#27378081)
I believe it varies from region to region. In my country natural springs are all around so fresh water is not a problem. But I remember reading medieval era memoirs how people get surprised traveling when others don't have as much access to springs.
Re:America has a drinking problem by frankzinger on Thursday June 03, 2021 @11:45AM (#27383083)
The article says that the bad water theory is unlikely because it's easier and cheaper to boil water than to make alcoholic beverages.