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Re:EU set to unveil plans for bloc-wide digital wallet for v... by nicbou on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @08:49AM (#27353620)
I'm also thinking that it will become one of those catch-22 problems for recent immigrants, who need a bunch of papers to settle, but also need to settle to get those papers.

For example, the German government assumes that every resident has a fixed, official, registered address. However for various reasons, many people can't register their address. They might for instance live in an illegal sublet. Since they can't register, they can't get a tax ID, health insurance or a bank account, which in turn make it hard to get an apartment that lets them register.

Lawmakers often forget that millions of people aren't born into the system, and do not always fill certain preconditions like the native population.

Re:EU set to unveil plans for bloc-wide digital wallet for v... by fakedang on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @09:33AM (#27354161)
Or, you know, it's may be by design? There are n number of countries where you'll be deported immediately if you don't have the right documents, precisely to discourage the kind of challenges you mentioned. The only difference between those countries and the EU is that they actually enforce their laws almost immediately while the EU (and to an extent, the US) don't. A fixed address is practically required in any part of the world to avail of government services, insurance, healthcare and banks, from Mozambique to Monaco.
Re:EU set to unveil plans for bloc-wide digital wallet for v... by nicbou on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @12:40PM (#27357325)
People have a fixed address but can't register it. This is especially common with the sort of accommodation people get when they move to Germany.

It also affects Germans, but to a lesser extent since they register at their parents' house.

Re:EU set to unveil plans for bloc-wide digital wallet for v... by the-dude on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @10:27AM (#27355003)
AFAIK, the US does not have a mandatory ID requirement ( nor does the UK ).
Re:EU set to unveil plans for bloc-wide digital wallet for v... by Zenst on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @10:58AM (#27355341)
Birth certificates are kinda in the realms of manfatory and be it directly or indirectly (classed as child abuse in the case of the USA) illegal not to register a birth in many countries.

In the UK you have the 1953 Births and Deaths Registration Act requires a birth to be registered within 42 days of a child being born.

Also nice example that Google spat out here in the respect of the UK and trying to opt out not registering a birth: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jun/23/man-refused-...

So given that, I'd say birth certificates have in many ways and thru various avenues of law in one country or another, kinda become mandatory years ago.

Re:EU set to unveil plans for bloc-wide digital wallet for v... by Zenst on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @10:30AM (#27355034)
> Lawmakers often forget that millions of people aren't born into the system, and do not always fill certain preconditions like the native population.

That should be quoted and hanging upon the wall of every politician. Very easy to fall thru the net and undue social and mental stress trying to fix that when innocent and a local, dare imagine the nightmare of somebody less fortunate who just wants to have an honest life.

The aspect that Germany have a clear approach to dealing with those who they deem illegal, it clearly does not help those who fall into that definition without doing anything illegal. Rent the wrong place and suddenly the burden and fallout is placed upon the renter who becomes a victim of the process.

This isn't isolated to Germany, and the same thing patterns out in every country in one form or another.

Re:EU set to unveil plans for bloc-wide digital wallet for v... by rolandog on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @02:32AM (#27365596)
In my experience, this is the case for the Netherlands as well!

I was at first perplexed when reading all the different requirements; it was hard trying to understand how to first approach 'the problem' to satisfy the circular dependencies in the requirements.

Thankfully, there was a lot of hand-holding involved between the HR department, the landlady (through a realtor), and the immigrant-friendly bank in order to allow us to bend the rules to solve the chicken/egg dilemma of residence/banking/insurance.

Re:EU set to unveil plans for bloc-wide digital wallet for v... by paganel on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @09:53AM (#27354495)
They don’t forget, they don’t care because those purple can’t vote for them by definition.