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Re:On Smoking by blairbeckwith on Monday May 31, 2021 @04:19PM (#27347716)
I sort of agree with this, but I do know lots of people – myself to a certain extent – that have had success with mild re-programming, via Allen Carr's Easy Way method[0]. I'm not the type to buy in to this kind of thing, but it did help me quit when nothing else did, and I never felt this sense of longing for something. Nobody else I've known that has had success with that method did either.

I also think it's really unhelpful to talk about quitting smoking in such hopeless terms. If I was still a smoker, being told I was inevitably going to be craving cigarettes for the rest of my life might almost convince me not to quit at all.

It doesn't have to be this way.

[0] https://www.allencarr.com

Re:On Smoking by version_five on Monday May 31, 2021 @04:29PM (#27347771)
I should mention (because I posted a hopeless sounding post below and didn't consider how it could come across), I quit smoking by taking up running. It was not a switch, I started running as exercise while a still smoked, without even considering quitting. Obviously the habits are at odds, but less than you'd think (I was in my early 30s, smoked about 15 years).

At some point, I had an established new hobby i enjoyed (running), i knew that smoking was holding me back, and i had a partial coping mechanism for dealing with craving and depression that comes with stopping.

10 years later, I still run, and I'm still happy with the tradeoff on my level of fitness, which is something that helps remind me of why I stopped when I have a craving.

(I know a lot of people don't like running, but my takeaway I think is that it's better to focus on a new hobby / habit and establish new patterns while still smoking and then try and quit, vs just stopping and then trying to fill the void after). I hope this makes it sound less hopeless.

Re:On Smoking by josephcsible on Monday May 31, 2021 @05:14PM (#27348078)
> I also think it's really unhelpful to talk about quitting smoking in such hopeless terms. If I was still a smoker, being told I was inevitably going to be craving cigarettes for the rest of my life might almost convince me not to quit at all.

I think the post was directed at non-smokers, to scare them into not starting to smoke.

Re:On Smoking by mlang23 on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @04:21AM (#27351845)
Treating grown ups like children usually does backfire... Or at least not work.
Re:On Smoking by falcor84 on Monday May 31, 2021 @04:24PM (#27347747)
>... and I never felt this sense of longing for something. Nobody else I've known that has had success with that method did either.

Isn't that tautological?

Re:On Smoking by blairbeckwith on Monday May 31, 2021 @04:32PM (#27347802)
Maybe? I'm not sure? It's a fairly throw away comment, I didn't send it to my editor to check for logical consistency or style advice.
Re:On Smoking by falcor84 on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @12:25PM (#27357048)
Sorry, it wasn't intended as a stylistic comment. It just seemed you're making a recommendation about a treatment by saying that it works for all the people it works for. Would you have any estimate of what fraction of all the people who tried this fully succeed?
Re:On Smoking by blairbeckwith on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @12:29PM (#27357123)
I gotcha, it was poorly worded.

My sample size here is extremely small – I know of three people who have used the method (2 read the book, 1 took the seminar) and all three were successes. I don't know of anyone who's done it that hasn't succeeded, but I expect there are tons of those. People who believe in it because it's worked for them are much more likely to speak broadly and loudly about it.