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Re:Dragon Go Server by Tomte on Monday May 31, 2021 @02:46PM (#27346999)
Back when I was playing, KGS was where everybody was playing. What happened? Just normal competition?
Re:Dragon Go Server by beermonster on Monday May 31, 2021 @02:58PM (#27347118)
KGS is still going but still Java client only?

These days there are lots of great alternatives :

OGS, Fox, Tygem, Panda Net to name but a few.

All of them have their pros and cons but OGS is great for western players.

Also can highly recommend lifein19x19.com

Re:Dragon Go Server by apetresc on Monday May 31, 2021 @03:09PM (#27347216)
Small correction: KGS is no longer Java-client-only. The protocol was opened up a few years ago and there are several web-based clients now, most notably https://shin.gokgs.com/

Also thank you for the lifein19x19.com shoutout :)

Re:Dragon Go Server by ameminator on Monday May 31, 2021 @02:57PM (#27347110)
Yup, KGS is dying a slow death and was turned over to the American Go Association to be managed. KGS Plus is free now, which is a nice Plus, I suppose.
Re:Dragon Go Server by 613style on Monday May 31, 2021 @02:56PM (#27347106)
KGS is still huge, but OGS has been consistently adding feature after feature for years. At some point, my impression is that most English people just realized it has a nicer interface and better analysis and cheat-detecting tools. The main downside is a lack of high-dan players.

(I don't have data to back this up, just my experience as a roughly 1-dan player who hangs out with a lot of U.S. Go folks)

Re:Dragon Go Server by ameminator on Monday May 31, 2021 @02:58PM (#27347121)
In my experience, KGS is nowhere near as popular as it used to be, sadly. Tournaments dried up, player base dwindled and it's not the same
Re:Dragon Go Server by tinco on Monday May 31, 2021 @04:11PM (#27347654)
How do you cheat at Go? The only thing I can think of is cheating by self-playing thus gaining illegitimate rank?
Re:Dragon Go Server by 613style on Monday May 31, 2021 @04:31PM (#27347797)
Just like with chess, when AI engines got very strong a few years ago, people started using them to find superhuman moves and win games. Now OGS will tell you how similar your game's moves are to what a computer would have played. Even professionals don't get above something like 75-80%, but I've lost a dozen games to people getting 95%+ on that metric.
Re:Dragon Go Server by beermonster on Monday May 31, 2021 @04:28PM (#27347763)
You could cheat in many ways.

One way might be to use a Go engine to analyse the best moves for you as you play. Even for non online play this is already a problem with Chess games and hidden smartphones. Everyone has a 9d bot at their disposal these days. And of course one could make use of cloud TensorFlow if that’s not enough.

There are ways of detecting cheating.

Re:Dragon Go Server by reblws on Monday May 31, 2021 @04:20PM (#27347721)
Main way is using an AI to tell you what the next best move is.