Re:Dragon Go Server
by Tomte on Monday May 31, 2021 @02:46PM
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Back when I was playing, KGS was where everybody was playing. What happened? Just normal competition?
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Re:Dragon Go Server
by beermonster on Monday May 31, 2021 @02:58PM
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KGS is still going but still Java client only?
These days there are lots of great alternatives :
OGS, Fox, Tygem, Panda Net to name but a few.
All of them have their pros and cons but OGS is great for western players.
Also can highly recommend lifein19x19.com
Small correction: KGS is no longer Java-client-only. The protocol was opened up a few years ago and there are several web-based clients now, most notably https://shin.gokgs.com/
Also thank you for the lifein19x19.com shoutout :)
Re:Dragon Go Server
by ameminator on Monday May 31, 2021 @02:57PM
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Yup, KGS is dying a slow death and was turned over to the American Go Association to be managed. KGS Plus is free now, which is a nice Plus, I suppose.
KGS is still huge, but OGS has been consistently adding feature after feature for years. At some point, my impression is that most English people just realized it has a nicer interface and better analysis and cheat-detecting tools. The main downside is a lack of high-dan players.
(I don't have data to back this up, just my experience as a roughly 1-dan player who hangs out with a lot of U.S. Go folks)
Re:Dragon Go Server
by ameminator on Monday May 31, 2021 @02:58PM
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In my experience, KGS is nowhere near as popular as it used to be, sadly. Tournaments dried up, player base dwindled and it's not the same
How do you cheat at Go? The only thing I can think of is cheating by self-playing thus gaining illegitimate rank?
Just like with chess, when AI engines got very strong a few years ago, people started using them to find superhuman moves and win games. Now OGS will tell you how similar your game's moves are to what a computer would have played. Even professionals don't get above something like 75-80%, but I've lost a dozen games to people getting 95%+ on that metric.
Re:Dragon Go Server
by beermonster on Monday May 31, 2021 @04:28PM
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You could cheat in many ways.
One way might be to use a Go engine to analyse the best moves for you as you play. Even for non online play this is already a problem with Chess games and hidden smartphones. Everyone has a 9d bot at their disposal these days. And of course one could make use of cloud TensorFlow if that’s not enough.
There are ways of detecting cheating.