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Re:First English dictionary of ancient Greek since Victorian... by Grustaf on Thursday May 27, 2021 @11:58AM (#27304567)
This is fantastic news, even if I never had any complaints about Liddell Scott. It’s interesting to note that while they stopped using euphemisms for words like “fuck”, they seemed to have removed references to homosexuality. Different times, different hangups.
Re:First English dictionary of ancient Greek since Victorian... by microtherion on Thursday May 27, 2021 @03:08PM (#27306856)
The "gay" of "gay women" did not mean "homosexual" back then, that meaning is not documented even for men before the 1920s, and for women even later: https://greensdictofslang.com/entry/pgc2e4q

What they meant was probably "promiscuous" or in some other form "leading an immoral lifestyle": https://greensdictofslang.com/entry/bzyd5jq

That might make it a bit more plausible why this epithet was removed.

Re:First English dictionary of ancient Greek since Victorian... by vincent-manis on Thursday May 27, 2021 @11:53PM (#27311561)
Or, given that 19th c. “gay” had a multiplicity of meanings, the intended meaning might have been something like “women who wore flashy clothes”.
Re:First English dictionary of ancient Greek since Victorian... by cafard on Thursday May 27, 2021 @01:11PM (#27305405)
You are referring to the bit about "shoes worn by gay women"? I took that to mean "worn by courtesans".
Re:First English dictionary of ancient Greek since Victorian... by Grustaf on Thursday May 27, 2021 @03:05PM (#27306821)
I suppose. But they also censored “worn by fops”…
Re:First English dictionary of ancient Greek since Victorian... by phaemon on Friday May 28, 2021 @05:40AM (#27313369)
They didn't censor it, they fixed it. There is no evidence that this slipper was "worn by fops" other than the faulty Victorian dictionary that they were fixing.
Re:First English dictionary of ancient Greek since Victorian... by Grustaf on Friday May 28, 2021 @05:50AM (#27313440)
Why would it be “faulty”? The paragraph starts out describing how “antiquated and offensive language” was removed.
Re:First English dictionary of ancient Greek since Victorian... by phaemon on Friday May 28, 2021 @06:07AM (#27313569)
Why wouldn't it be? Old dictionaries are riddled with errors and mistranslations.

βλαύτη is just a slipper. Not a slipper worn by fops. Not a slipper worn by lesbians. Not a slipper worn by aliens. Just a slipper.

Why do you keep insisting that the Professors are wrong and that this "worn by fops" translation should be retained? Are you an expert in Ancient Greek translation and you're sure they have it wrong?

Re:First English dictionary of ancient Greek since Victorian... by Grustaf on Friday May 28, 2021 @06:45AM (#27313812)
The article gives βλαύτη as an example of a word whose definition was updated in order to remove offensive language. They're not saying the old definition was incorrect, there is no indication of that.

I'm no expert, but I did study 2 years of full time Greek at uni. I don't specifically about βλαύτη, but I do know that berating effeminate or overly vain men would not be out of character for any Greek author.

Re:First English dictionary of ancient Greek since Victorian... by CRConrad on Friday June 04, 2021 @05:35AM (#27392023)
> The article gives βλαύτη as an example of a word whose definition was updated in order to remove offensive language.

Ackcherly, it says "Antiquated and offensive language also gets a makeover." This may be just the antiquated bit, not the offensive one.

Re:First English dictionary of ancient Greek since Victorian... by phaemon on Friday May 28, 2021 @02:32PM (#27318922)
The article was written by a journalist. The dictionary was written by the Professors. If they say that their definition is better I'm going with that above both a journalist and a second year student unless you provide something a little more compelling evidence-wise.
Re:First English dictionary of ancient Greek since Victorian... by Grustaf on Sunday May 30, 2021 @04:22PM (#27336386)
Presumably they talked to the editors. I don’t think they opened up LSJ at random, compared an entry to the new version and concluded that the change was made for the sake of political correctness.
Re:First English dictionary of ancient Greek since Victorian... by phaemon on Sunday May 30, 2021 @04:54PM (#27336637)
I suspect your assumptions are wrong because you don't know many journalists. I have that misfortune. They will have taken the juiciest part of whatever they were told and made a story from it. Facts are entirely secondary.