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Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by wolverine876 on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @06:26PM (#27296884)
Those aren't reasons to act dishonestly and abuse other people. In fact, those are reasons to do the opposite - if you find the world so terrible, do something to make it better.

It's up to you and me. Nobody else is coming to save us.

Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by pitaj on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @06:31PM (#27296937)
When people are surrounded by rules that make no sense, many start to question all rules. It's not a justification for acting dishonestly, but it is the cause.

One way we can make the world better is by fixing the rules. Getting rid of ones that are unjust, and making the rest more consistent.

Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by FpUser on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @07:15PM (#27297319)
>"One way we can make the world better is by fixing the rules. Getting rid of ones that are unjust, and making the rest more consistent."

I once saw sign on a street: do not do something (do not remember what) and reference to a City Bylaw numbered as 37 thousand and something. That is just for one city. Good luck changing this sheer insanity.

Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by munk-a on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @07:41PM (#27297551)
I don't think the quantity of laws is really an issue as long as they are being applied fairly and (and this is the vague part) society views them as generally just.
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by FpUser on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @09:27PM (#27298314)
>"I don't think the quantity of laws is really an issue"

And I think it is. At this quantity the quality will definitely suffer. Besides, I did read some bylaws at some point out of curiosity and without going into details many of them are outright unjust/deficient/etc (in my opinion of course)

Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by andreilys on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @06:36PM (#27296999)
"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so."

The question of course is, peoples interpretations of which laws are just and unjust are subject to bias and individual incentives.

Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by dragonwriter on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @06:45PM (#27297086)
> "If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so."

Incidentally, while I recognize thr popularity of this quote, its fairly ridiculous taken literally for laws which are prohibitory rather than obligatory.

Viewing a prohibition as unjust does not obligate me to violate the prohibition; believing people should be free from government constraint to do something doesn’t require me to do that thing.

“Disregard” or “discount” in place of “disobey” would be more generally valid.

Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by achillesheels on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @08:19PM (#27297833)
Laws which are inconsistent with promoting the extension of human life can be ruled to be unjust.
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by wolverine876 on Thursday May 27, 2021 @12:07AM (#27299293)
> Laws which are inconsistent with promoting the extension of human life can be ruled to be unjust.

So outlawing theft, rape, fraud, kidnapping, false imprisonment, etc. - that's all unjust?

Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by achillesheels on Thursday May 27, 2021 @09:16AM (#27302696)
Don’t those laws promote human life? And by life, we can definite it to be a “self-moving power”, as Plato defines it in his Laws.