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Re:Neovim 0.5 is overpowering by mcepl on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @04:52PM (#27295945)
Whenever you say words “natural”, or “friendly” you actually mean “what I am used to”. As the saying goes “Basically, the only ‘intuitive’ interface is the nipple. After that, it's all learned.” (Usenet discussion about Apple Macintosh).

So, no, I spent couple of years struggling with non-modal editors, where I had that feeling all the time “I have no idea how to do it effectively in this $EDITOR, while I know five keypresses which would do it for me in vim.” Finally, I have liberated myself and switched back to vim.

Re:Neovim 0.5 is overpowering by NateEag on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @09:12PM (#27298203)
Irrelevant nit, but:

> “Basically, the only ‘intuitive’ interface is the nipple. After that, it's all learned.”

The nipple is not intuitive for everyone.

One of our children struggled mightily with the nipple and we had a miserable two or three months of breastpumping and finger-feeding before he finally figured it out.

Re:Neovim 0.5 is overpowering by ajitid on Thursday May 27, 2021 @05:56AM (#27301045)
He later corrected it by saying:

> There is no intuitive interface, not even the nipple. It's all learned.

Re:Neovim 0.5 is overpowering by kerneis on Thursday May 27, 2021 @08:54AM (#27302474)
Following-up on irrelevancy: what made you stick? We had the same experience, but gave up after 6 weeks because breastpumping was exhausting, and switched to bottles and artificial milk which our daughter loved immediately.
Re:Neovim 0.5 is overpowering by NateEag on Saturday May 29, 2021 @10:04PM (#27329987)
I think the belief (based on what evidence we're aware of) that breast milk is genuinely better for babies.

My wife and I are both sort of gluttons for punishment if we're convinced something is the right path.

Re:Neovim 0.5 is overpowering by dotancohen on Thursday May 27, 2021 @05:37AM (#27300954)
Yeah, just wait until he gets to VIM in a few years.
Re:Neovim 0.5 is overpowering by cycomanic on Thursday May 27, 2021 @04:01AM (#27300481)
Just an FYI Kakoune is a modal editor. I've actually tried it and OP has a point, for many of the things that you would use visual mode in vim things are very natural in Kakoune. It's also surprisingly accessible to someone used to vim. That said, it's difficult to leave the huge community behind vim behind.