Re:Do countries get the list of every passenger that's trans...
by anfilt on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @02:26AM
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Is there anyway to buy/book directly instead going through this Amadeus, and this Sabre software you mention?
Re:Do countries get the list of every passenger that's trans...
by gabereiser on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @02:51AM
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Not anymore there isn't. All bookings go through one of the travel systems (Amadeus or Sabre). There's no skirting around it unless you fly a private jet and even then, some share passenger manifests with FAA to clear no-fly lists when they file their IFR plans.
Re:Do countries get the list of every passenger that's trans...
by anfilt on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @04:55AM
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So only the wealthy, can avoid sharing their travel info with whoever else is reading this data... What a shame
Re:Do countries get the list of every passenger that's trans...
by lstamour on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @02:33AM
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Nope. It’s the mainframe software airlines use for “computerized check-in” and the ability to list flights from different airlines for different legs of the same journey, just like banks use mainframes designed for checking accounts or companies use ERP systems or governments make budgets. Outside of actually flying and maintaining planes, these systems are deeply integrated to how airlines coordinate between each other, how airports show flight information and so on. We’ll replace them when the last person uses a physical VISA card (probably never…)
Another way of putting it: whatever replaces these systems will likely be forced to do the same thing, so why bother?
Re:Do countries get the list of every passenger that's trans...
by gabereiser on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @02:53AM
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To further this, any systems designed to "replace" these systems must also first talk to these systems and provide identical functionality. This was the case with the old BOSS systems we had to integrate with using term screen scraping and pushing text-based booking codes. The same codes used by agents at the ticking counter when you see them type 500 characters just to look you up in their systems. Only now, they aren't interacting with the BOSS system anymore, it's Amadeus or Sabre they are interacting with.
Re:Do countries get the list of every passenger that's trans...
by PeterisP on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @05:59AM
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It's a choice by the airline - if they handle their bookings through it, then also direct bookings will go there because they need to have a shared view such as knowing what seats are available/sold. There are various tiny airlines that book directly, but the vast majority of flights aren't with them.
Re:Do countries get the list of every passenger that's trans...
by toast0 on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @02:37AM
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Fly private?
Re:Do countries get the list of every passenger that's trans...
by gabereiser on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @02:55AM
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In some cases, private carriers also share passenger manifests to Sabre along with their approved IFR plan. They call it PNR. Passenger Name Registry.
Re:Do countries get the list of every passenger that's trans...
by withinboredom on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @07:06AM
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Fly VFR instead of IFR?
Re:Do countries get the list of every passenger that's trans...
by gabereiser on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @12:47PM
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Yup. You have to stay under the airspace but this or GPS is one way of hiding yourself from the major GDS systems.
Your passenger information and your itinerary are shared with TSA, Airlines, published to travel systems, and checked against NO-FLY lists the moment you press that “Get boarding pass” button. Whether it be by an agent, at the kiosk, or on mobile.