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Re:Belarus 'diverts Ryanair flight to arrest journalist', op... by throwaway894345 on Sunday May 23, 2021 @01:25PM (#27256769)
> The US is rarely interested in affronts against democracy unless there's a geopolitical advantage to be had by leveraging it.

Who are the countries who are willing to intercede militarily purely to liberate a country?

> From a practical standpoint, US interventions almost always make things worse for the people who live there, and in a lot of cases less democratic.

I think this is a fair criticism—intercession is hard—but the question isn’t whether things are better or worse than they were, but rather whether they were better or worse than they would have been under Soviet influence. And you can analyze this as “whether or not a specific country is better or worse” as well as “whether or not the world is better or worse for the diminished soviet influence that would have been afforded by that country falling under Soviet influence”.

Re:Belarus 'diverts Ryanair flight to arrest journalist', op... by emkoemko on Sunday May 23, 2021 @04:18PM (#27258207)
in Afghanistan for how long? now Taliban control more territory then they did before US came in...

Libya? way way worse, i mean its a place you can buy slaves in open markets now after US intervention...

list is huge, some places they would take out democracy to put in puppet dictatorships all in the interest of the US, they will work with Saudi Arabia and in last 5 years starve 80,000 kids to death in Yemen under 5 years.

i can only list a few countries that US intervention ended actually helping both the US and the country.

so yes USA will claim to come in to give "democracy" or what ever humanitarian excuse but its never for those reasons, its always for the interest of US and US corporations, i mean didn't the US take a country just because corporations wanted it for growing Bananas? and still to this day they are messing with them ?

Re:Belarus 'diverts Ryanair flight to arrest journalist', op... by throwaway894345 on Sunday May 23, 2021 @06:06PM (#27259064)
It’s like you didn’t even read my post...
Re:Belarus 'diverts Ryanair flight to arrest journalist', op... by pydry on Monday May 24, 2021 @11:39AM (#27265625)
I read it. As far as I could tell you were saying that intervention was sometimes worthwhile because the Soviets are evil?

I'm not sure I got it either. As an argument for interventionism it was poor.

Re:Belarus 'diverts Ryanair flight to arrest journalist', op... by throwaway894345 on Monday May 24, 2021 @12:02PM (#27265965)
I don't know how you got any of that from my comment. I'm quite explicitly not arguing in favor of interventionism, nor am I arguing that Soviets were evil. I'm making a metaargument that criticisms of US interventionism must compare US interventionism with Soviet interventionism; it's insufficient to say that US interventionism is worse than no interventionism because the latter wasn't a plausible option. So yeah, it's a shitty argument for interventionism because it's not an argument for interventionism. ;)
Re:Belarus 'diverts Ryanair flight to arrest journalist', op... by katbyte on Sunday May 23, 2021 @01:36PM (#27256859)
pretty sure the issues that belarus has is more to do with its dictator lukashenko then "soviet influence": https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236...
Re:Belarus 'diverts Ryanair flight to arrest journalist', op... by baybal2 on Sunday May 23, 2021 @03:47PM (#27257939)
Soviet influence it is. Lukasenko was a party boss in USSR

Putin was KGB mafia boy.

Kravcuk, and Kucma were party bosses of state enterprises.

Aliyevs were KGB men

Shevardnaze was USSR's foreign minister

The whole of Central Asia is basically ruled by exactly the same Moscow's satraps since late eighties, with exception of wild tempered Kyrgyzstan.

Mongolia, "the 16th republic," also had communist comeback, only ended by an extreme, Norko style economic collapse.

The only country of ex-USSR where CPSU did not recapture the power outside of Baltics was Armenia, but only thanks to power going to their nazis. A medicine worse than the poison.

Re:Belarus 'diverts Ryanair flight to arrest journalist', op... by reducesuffering on Sunday May 23, 2021 @06:56PM (#27259396)
> The only country of ex-USSR where CPSU did not recapture the power outside of Baltics was Armenia

And Georgia

Re:Belarus 'diverts Ryanair flight to arrest journalist', op... by baybal2 on Sunday May 23, 2021 @07:03PM (#27259431)
It was, Shevardnadze ruled for 8 years.
Re:Belarus 'diverts Ryanair flight to arrest journalist', op... by reducesuffering on Monday May 24, 2021 @04:59PM (#27269629)
Which ended in 2003. I'd argue that CPSU, since 1991, has had much less internal influence in Georgia than Armenia, which is still heavily Russian-aligned. Georgia is trying to join NATO...
Re:Belarus 'diverts Ryanair flight to arrest journalist', op... by lmilcin on Sunday May 23, 2021 @02:06PM (#27257131)
Most likely, yes. But consider none of this would be happening without Russian backing.