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Re:Sixth grader expelled after Zoom provided possibly inaccu... by paulv on Saturday May 22, 2021 @11:31PM (#27252192)
> “toxic masculinity” is a political dog-whistle, not a legitimate psychological concept.

This is misleading at best. Toxic masculinity has been written about in great detail and at great length in academia (in gender/women's studies literature) for going on 30 years.

Re:Sixth grader expelled after Zoom provided possibly inaccu... by totalZero on Saturday May 22, 2021 @11:41PM (#27252242)
> Toxic masculinity has been written about in great detail and at great length

Generating literature about a postulation doesn't make it true.

How would you ever controvert a bad practice like icepick lobotomies, or a false belief like Aristotelian gravity, if the simple existence or popular acceptance of an idea were considered to be its proof?

Re:Sixth grader expelled after Zoom provided possibly inaccu... by vkou on Sunday May 23, 2021 @02:32AM (#27252875)
All-right, I'll bite.

What words would you prefer people use to describe a particular kind of behaviour, common to, but not exclusive to young men that is in generous parts mysoginistic, often homophobic and violent?

Re:Sixth grader expelled after Zoom provided possibly inaccu... by omginternets on Sunday May 23, 2021 @06:22PM (#27259177)
Bit of a loaded question, isn't it?
Re:Sixth grader expelled after Zoom provided possibly inaccu... by vkou on Sunday May 23, 2021 @07:06PM (#27259446)
It's a response to a bit of a loaded statement. What does the parent poster even mean that a descriptive term isn't 'true'?

That the behaviour it describes doesn't exist? That would be a truly remarkable claim.

That the term is inapplicable to that behaviour? On what grounds? Is there a term they'd prefer we use?

That the behaviour exists, but we shouldn't slap a label on it? That's almost certainly personal opinion, which is not very interesting.

If the OP would have instead said that particular claims about toxic masculinity are false, that would be an entirely different conversation. But that's not what they did.

Re:Sixth grader expelled after Zoom provided possibly inaccu... by omginternets on Sunday May 23, 2021 @12:06AM (#27252371)
>in gender/women's studies literature

I rest my case. It is not a legitimate psychological concept.

Re:Sixth grader expelled after Zoom provided possibly inaccu... by bawolff on Sunday May 23, 2021 @12:49AM (#27252538)
But probably also not a mere dog whistle. Psycological "concept" and "dog whistle" are not the only two things an idea could be.
Re:Sixth grader expelled after Zoom provided possibly inaccu... by omginternets on Sunday May 23, 2021 @01:47PM (#27256966)
That's fair. 'Dog whistle' is a bit inexact, but it's not completely off the mark either, I think.